peta...and todays youth...

[zooker]

dam now i got a headache from reading all that crap..

the reason i posted this is my buddy who drives truck asked me to pick up his 6 yr old son from school -done this before which is no big deal- there was a couple of woman handing out flyer's to every one coming out of the school. upon asking the boy what they were handing out. he gave me a 4 page booklet titled "IS YOUR DADDY A KILLER" a peta extremest booklet. on the cover it has a guy in a bass boat -cartoon- fishing.. it totally pissed me right the **** off. it took some major resratint to keep from getting out and stomping a BIG mudhole in someone's butt.
what really makes me madder than any thing is that they are targetting 4-8 year olds.. which is total bull sh!t.. this school is for preschoolers to 5th grade. -i think- it anit a middle school or a high school..

at that age they look to there folks as their hero's..and they don't really know about the peta vs sportmans struggle..

for said reason's i wont say which school this is..

zooker

[River stumps]

I am not trying to throw my religion out to you. I am a born again Christian, I am not perfect, I do make mistakes. I believe Gods' word is the truth. I sin because I am a man..I believe that God created the fish, and the animals and gave us (Human beings) dominion over them. I don't know of anyone I could use as a better example of a fisherman than The Lord Jesus Christ. He fed fish to thousands upon thousands of people. He even told His friends that were fishing and having not caught anything to cast their nets to the other side of the boat, they did and the boat could not hold the fish that was caught. PETA would have called that mass murder. So peta, you are brewing up a lot of poision stew that you are going to have to eat. You don't even have a slight chance by passing your propaganda out to these little boys and and girls. The above poster is probably a good size hunk of a man and I believe he would roll out of his vehicle to help one of these little ones, and to preserve the right for our children enjoy the sport of fishing. Enough said

[PowerBass]

Originally Posted by pig n jig

Zooker, I am not preachin, I just didn't like the way you people were stereotyping hippies as being a majority part of PETA when in fact they are not PETA. I do think PETA has some valid points,they need to reform their group leaders and throw the extremist out just as we should be negative at those who threaten anyone over losing our hunting & fishing privileges.We don't need people that are extremeist fighting for what we believe in either. Thats my .02. P N J

PNJ, I respect you, but that is 100% BS. PETA needs to be eliminated, but not by force, by using our wits against them. If us hunters and fisherman come together, we could be a force to reckon with, but no, everyone has to be a candyass about sticking up for what they beleive in. I aint afraid to show my true feelings. I have seen this friggin tree huggers in action also! The NJ bear hunt is a great example. Every friggin year, these hippies get in there and ruin it. And now to go as far and have a advertisement for children that says "keep your dogs away from daddy, he may stuff them" or something to that sort, that is also bull****!

[WTL]

Here is a proper anaology IMO. Saying that PETA has some good points is like saying the old communist party of Russia had some good points. For commies, poverty becomes such a big issue that they advocate total wealth redistribution. For PETA crazies, they demand the complete restructuring of a society and even a human condition that is based on the use and manipulation of animals for our own welfare. In both cases, while poverty is bad, and kicking dogs is bad, doing what the nuts in the cp and PETA are advocating is 1,000 times worse. Restructuring society to an artificial ideal which conflicts with basic human nature is just..plain....stupid...

[fishin_dude]

Here is a PETA anti-fishing propaganda video, looks like fun to me! http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video....=wm&speed=_med

[Marty]

Here is a proper anaology IMO. Saying that PETA has some good points is like saying the old communist party of Russia had some good points.

I don't see the analogy. PETA has negotiated with some fast-food places to give chickens a bigger cage. I see nothing wrong--actually, I see a lot right--with campaigning against keeping animals in extremely cramped spaces.

They were instrumental in getting some polar bears taken away from a traveling circus that was badly mistreating them. A very worthy accomplishment, in my opinion.

I hope I havent been too longwinded or conceptual in this thread. What the hell, I know how boring this stuff is to some folks.

You have been, but are forgiven.

[pig n jig]

The old communist party of Russia did have some good points as a matter of fact.

[WTL]

Pnj, No. It Did Not.

[pig n jig]

Powerbass, that is your opinion, and your entitled to it as everyone here is entitled to their opinion. That is what makes the world go 'round and 'round. P N J

[WTL]

Not all opinions are equal. Never let them convince you otherwise, it is a 1-way street to lunacy.

[va_basser]

Originally Posted by pig n jig

The old communist party of Russia did have some good points as a matter of fact.

Sure is good to know I'm not the only one who thinks that.I mean hell look at them now.Went from being one of the strongest,most feared countries on the planet to being the laughing stock of the free world.Things keep up the way they are we're next fellas....

[WTL]

Wow. Not much I can say other than point out the FACT that the current economic troubles of Russia are a DIRECT result of 70+ years of revolutionary rhetoric. There was/is nothing good about communism or socialism, it kills every productive thing it comes near and does not let self-initiative return for a long, long time. Russia will not be reborn as a country until all the people who lived under communism are dead. That is your legacy of bolshevism. Neato. Just what we want here.

[pig n jig]

WTL, Yes it did. we were taught to think otherwise.It no doubt had its bad points, but there were some good views as well.Not that it matters. P N J

[WTL]

I'm trying not to get mad, you are a good guy pnj, but you have been indoctrinated with absurdities. They ran their country on the blood of their own citizens and you think that this was a good thing?

DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HIPPIES IN THE SOVIET UNION?

Peace, love, and sex? No, how about prison, forced labor camps and "disappearences". 20 million people were killed by Stalin. Not in the war against Germany, I am talking about Russian citizens who were murdered because they saw nothing good in soviet communism. And yet you wanna focus on the positives?

[pig n jig]

WTL, Do not get angry.Its not worth the effort, but I will state why I thought Communsim was good.All people were created equal.There were no such thiing as an lower class, middle class, upper class levels.This eliminates the economic boundaries which separates us here. There would be alot less crime committed because being equal there is no have and have not , everyone is equal.Also my biggest complaint here in NY state, Welfare & unemployment.The media has claimed that unemployment rate has dropped here. its because the 21 weeks of umemployment benefits ran out for the people using it, leaving them with no source of income at all.In a Communist country there were no unemployment, or welfare systems.The reason it was corrupt was we had an interest in helping it fail by influencing the leaders who governed it.Bin Laden was another one of our little projects , we trained him and his troops , gave him supplies to defeat the Russians who were invading Afganistan.Little did we know he would bite the hand that fed him.I hate to say it, but it was our own fault.We are living in this great land controlled by a fascist leadership. P N J

[va_basser]

Originally Posted by WTL

That is your legacy of bolshevism. Neato. Just what we want here.

Well so much for freedom of expression.See things a certain way or be ridiculed for it.I,as I'm guessing quite a few others on this board have also,served my country in order to defend the right to be able to think and speak as we want.It's just an opinion,and we ALL know about opinions,right? That being said,I aint no pinko commie socialist nazi..I'm just an American that believes we should watch after our own before we go out trying to save the rest of the world.How we can go and feed people that would rather kill us than take care of people in our own backyard that would likely appreciate the help is beyond me.
ok enough of that ...back to fishing!

[pig n jig]

Va.Basser, I agree 100% with your statement.We need Heath care reform, maybe socialized medicine, welfare reform, employment increase through a equal trade plan or a renegotiated free trade.We need to provide for the homeless right here in our own country.How about the elderly people who are barely making ends meet because of the medications they have to buy to keep existing ? P N J

[WTL]

Well why don't we all join hands by the campfire and sing John Lennons "Imagine"!

You really have been indoctrinated with a heavy dose of...forgive me...bull****.

I will take apart your statement peice by peice beginning now.

All people were created equal.

All people are not created equal in ability. In theory though they deserve and warrant equal rights. But they had no rights in the soviet union. None.


There were no such thing as an lower class, middle class, upper class levels.

Incorrect. There was such a thing as a lower class, in fact almost all of the people in Russia were reduced to poverty.


This eliminates the economic boundaries which separates us here. There would be alot less crime committed because being equal there is no have and have not , everyone is equal.

No, there was more crime because most people did not have anything at all. The poverty of the soviet union made for a society of theives. The only thing that kept it from turning to open rioting in the streets was the fact that if you got caught, you got a bullet in your head and a burial in the snow.


Also my biggest complaint here in NY state, Welfare & unemployment.The media has claimed that unemployment rate has dropped here. its because the 21 weeks of umemployment benefits ran out for the people using it, leaving them with no source of income at all.In a Communist country there were no unemployment, or welfare systems.

The communist system is by definition a welfare system for all members of society. Research the line "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."

The reason it was corrupt was we had an interest in helping it fail by influencing the leaders who governed it.

So you are saying that we paid off their government to be corrupt? Corruption doesn't occur in a vacuum. They had an unheard of government bueracracy in which almost every member except for the highest communist party officials was working for vodka and bread money. It was their own economic and political ineptitude that lead to the corruption of their government.

Bin Laden was another one of our little projects , we trained him and his troops , gave him supplies to defeat the Russians who were invading Afganistan.Little did we know he would bite the hand that fed him.I hate to say it, but it was our own fault.

Bin Laden was a mistake on our part, but he was fighting the Russians because they were involved in essentially an imperialist war to take over Afghansitan so that they would have a route to the middle east. They wanted the oil because it would allow them to prop up their doomed economic system as long as possible.

We are living in this great land controlled by a fascist leadership.

Every possible thing that is wrong with fascism was present in the soviet union. Military police? They had them. Political murders? Oh yea, they had them. Lack of civil freedom? Yep, the Soviet Union excelled at depriving people of their most basic rights.

We would not be having this discussion in the Soviet Union.

[WTL]

Va Basser, as I have already said you have a right to an opinion, even if it is woefully, sadly incorrect. I in turn have an absolute right to ridicule the opinions of those who have not thought through what they are advocating. These are rights that exist in America but that never, ever existed in the USSR. Fact.

[fishin_dude]

Originally Posted by pig n jig

I thought Communsim was good.All people were created equal.There were no such thiing as an lower class, middle class, upper class levels.This eliminates the economic boundaries which separates us here.

You think you could buy a decent bass boat, fishing gear, or a nice truck with a communist economy? That is the most beautiful thing about democracy, each person can choose what class he or she will be by decisions they make in life. I guarantee you lower class Americans eat better, and own more material positions than any commie ever did.

[pig n jig]

WTL, Do you know who regulates the material that you have based your theory on ? I don't believe it, Yes Stalin was paranoid and he murdered alot of people, but it seemed as though he might very well have had reason to be paranoid. I am sure our government works on a legitimized system at all times.I also can't wait for Santa to leave a new bass boat out in the front yard for me to find christmas day. P N J

[va_basser]

Originally Posted by WTL

Va Basser, as I have already said you have a right to an opinion, even if it is woefully, sadly incorrect. I in turn have an absolute right to ridicule the opinions of those who have not thought through what they are advocating.

whatever..sounds to me like you're more like what you stand so strongly against than what you think
and again I will say I'm not advocating communism,hell I served in the fight against it(got in a few scraps with some green party members while stationed in Germany in the early/mid eighties).
So can you say that our political system is without flaw?We let homeless people starve in the streets while trying to woo some third world nation,make our elderly pay ungodly prices for care they should be automatically given(they EARNED it),treat our vets like third rate citizens(these are the ones that fought and many died so we can have this discussion).Politicians trying to one up each other and not giving a damn about who or what it hurts.While pulling the trigger makes it murder,knowing about it and not doing anything to help or prevent it makes you just as guilty.

[WTL]

You don't believe it? With the incredible wealth of information out there in books, the internet - most of it not in any way influenced by the United States government - and you don't believe it? Millions of survivors who have told their stories, documents from the USSR, admissions by former Soviet officials, inquries by every news agency on the face of the earth, studies by thousands of universities around the globe....the information out there is unlimited.....


I guess some people are blind.

[WTL]

Va Basser, have I given an unconditional endorsement of the policies of our government? Lol, hardly.

I am incredibly critical of our government, probably the most critical guy on this board when it comes to the United States government. I guess you are new, so you probably havent seen me go in these twice a year political discussions that pop up from time to time.

All socialized medicine is gonna do is drive up the prices of drugs so that the taxpayer has to pay more. It is a blank check written to the drug companies. Basic economics, the Drug companies will ask what they can get for any drug. If we subsidize the purchasing of drugs, that means drug companies can get more for each pill. In the end, the elderly are no better off than in the beginning, and the many who do not qualify under some legal loophole or another are forced to pay even higher drug prices. By doing something about drug prices, the government is ensuring they will go higher. Great. Swell. This is the kinda crap you get out of washington. Everybody pony up, the government has to get its money from somewhere so expect increasingly higher payroll and income taxes. So for the record, drug prices go up. Government power and authority become stronger and more centralized. Corruption increases because there is more money in the hands of your washington politicians.

Do you people think this crap is free? Economic law # uno, there is no such thing as a free lunch.

[va_basser]

man he's good...