Just sayin

[kennethdaysale]

........let’s quit trashing President Obama and start to recognize his accomplishments! After all, it is an impressive list..........
First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.
First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.
First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States
First President to violate the War Powers Act.
First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico .
First President to defy a Federal Judge's court order to cease implementing the Health Care Reform Law.
First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.
First President to spend a trillion dollars on 'shovel-ready' jobs when there was no such thing as 'shovel-ready' jobs.
First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.
First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.
First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S. , including those with criminal convictions.
First President to demand a company hand over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.
First President to terminate America 's ability to put a man in space.
First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.
First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.
First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke-out on the reasons for their rate increases.
First President to tell a major manu-facturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory.
First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).
First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.
First President to fire an inspector general of Ameri-corps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.
First President to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office. .
First President to golf 100 separate times in his first two and a half years in office, 90 to date.
First President to hide his medical, educational and travel records.
First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.
First President to go on multiple global "apology tours".
First President to go on 17 lavish vacations, including date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends; paid for by the taxpayer.
First President to have 22 personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.
First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year at taxpayer expense.
First President to take a 17 day vacation.
So, how is this "CHANGE" working out?

[carolina-rig-01]

Originally Posted by kennethdaysale

So, how is this "CHANGE" working out?

Pretty much how I figured it would. I hope America as a whole is aware of the fact that Obama as well as the rest of our government is wiping its *** with our constitution and takes a stand to start cleaning house come election time. Unfortunatley there are so many able bodied people who will never work a day in their life as long as there is a president who will take food off a working mans table and give it to them, and sadly most of these people vote so I am worried about this election.

[keithdog]

I seriously doubt this country and our constitution will survive another four years of this tyranical president. There have been presidents in the past I really disliked, but none that caused me to have such great fear for our future as a country and a people. Sadly, there are too many democrats that will vote for ANYONE as long as it's not a republican. I just wish the republicans had something better to offer than Romney! But regardless, we have to make sure this guy gets voted out.

[joedog]

With a big list like that.....maybe I voted wrong?
You folks can guess how I voted.

I'm thinking we try a 4 year stint with NO president. Can't really work any worse than how our 'entitlement rich Goverment Body" works now, rather, DOESN'T WORK... literally.

[USMCbassman]

What I would love to say, unfortunately wearing a uniform inhibits my right of free speech and big brother is always watching!

I will; however say, I will:

Keep my God
Keep my Guns
Keep my Money

and they can keep the Change

[joedog]

Originally Posted by USMCbassman

What I would love to say, unfortunately wearing a uniform inhibits my right of free speech and big brother is always watching!

I will; however say, I will:

Keep my God
Keep my Guns
Keep my Money

and they can keep the Change

I may STEAL that one!
I really like the way you think!!!!
Thanks

[USMCbassman]

Originally Posted by joedog

I may STEAL that one!
I really like the way you think!!!!
Thanks

LOL, Thanks. Go right ahead I stole it from someone else, when I seen it I thought it was priceless (no pun intended)

[bassboogieman]

Whatever. Politics sucks. Virtually no career politician works for the people who elect him, but for the special intrests that have the MONEY (to get him elected) and the perks of office. What is the major goal of EVERY politician? Getting re-elected! Second goal - raising money to get re-elected. Best way to get money and therfore re-elected? Get legislation passed for two specific groups - those that have the money, which can fund the next campaign and those masses of the "under classes" that you can give a hand out and gain thier favor by the "gifts" bestowed upon them. To paraphase a well known saying: Give them a fish and they'll be banging on your door tomorrow for another one, try teaching them to fish and they'll drop out of class.

Cynical - you bet your arse. I've watched our political system spiral downward into the political sewer it is today for the last 50 years. The biggest "change" from then to now are the "social programs" in place, that makes working less attractive, second certainly in our taking on the role of "World Police Force" but I'm not going there, so back to MY number one. It is the major drain on our economy and has turned the pinch on the so called "middle class" into more of a DEATH GRIP. I could write a book about the changes in this country over just my lifetime, but it wouldn't sell because it would be about tough choices that need to be made. It would be about political corruption, ethics, personal honor and family. Family values and responsibility - think about that one. Today the family is becoming a throw-away-commoditiy much like a styrofoam cup. Also about commitment - very few Americans, that I see, are committed to anything other than themselves. That's harsh, and it's a generalization, as there are a few individuals whom I hold in high respect, but not many and NONE is a politician.

I'm going to end now, or this post will turn into a chapter, with this thought: I believe, strongly, that soon the "Second American Revolution" will occur (great title for my book, don't you think) and likely soon. The original was fought over oppression, unfair taxation, and one Nation or segment of a Nation trying to exert it's influence over another, government corruption also figured into the mix with the goverened unhappy that their governing officals were living high on the hog, off their backs of course. Sound familiar?

[bassboogieman]

Hey Joe, you can borrow one of mine: "Obama promised change and he delivered, it's all I've got left in my pocket."

[Top Tiger]

Come November, Romney will be spanked like a 4 year old in K-Mart. I never realized that this forum was filled with so many millionaires who think that the govt is out to get them.

[MississippiBoy]

Originally Posted by Top Tiger

Come November, Romney will be spanked like a 4 year old in K-Mart. I never realized that this forum was filled with so many millionaires who think that the govt is out to get them.

Oh boy....here we go....

[kennethdaysale]

Originally Posted by Top Tiger

Come November, Romney will be spanked like a 4 year old in K-Mart. I never realized that this forum was filled with so many millionaires who think that the govt is out to get them.

I think maybe you're missing the point with the current admin's class warfare/everybody pay their fair share strategy. If you took every penny from every millionaire in the country you couldn't pay off the debt in a hundred years....it's just a smokescreen. Successful people/small-medium-large business do in fact create jobs. How many poor people do you know of that are currently hiring?
It is so obvious that Mr Obama is in over his head. If he can't perform the duties he was hired to do, then his only hope for reelection is to somehow portray succesful people (you know the guy that owns a small farm or a couple of paint and body shops or the small start up company trying to make and sell a better jig etc) as evil. Couple that with enabling millions and millions and millions of people to live on social programs...so dependant that they have to vote for him or face the horrible reality of the real world. The reality they are quite happy to ignore. The vast majority of these social program parasites could easily work and buy food and raise their children in two parent homes and keep them in school and not pregnant, but...........why should they, all they've got to do is sign some papers and get a gov't check every month.

Finally if you are correct about Nov's outcome....God help us.

[carolina-rig-01]

Originally Posted by kennethdaysale

I think maybe you're missing the point with the current admin's class warfare/everybody pay their fair share strategy. If you took every penny from every millionaire in the country you couldn't pay off the debt in a hundred years....it's just a smokescreen. Successful people/small-medium-large business do in fact create jobs. How many poor people do you know of that are currently hiring?
It is so obvious that Mr Obama is in over his head. If he can't perform the duties he was hired to do, then his only hope for reelection is to somehow portray succesful people (you know the guy that owns a small farm or a couple of paint and body shops or the small start up company trying to make and sell a better jig etc) as evil. Couple that with enabling millions and millions and millions of people to live on social programs...so dependant that they have to vote for him or face the horrible reality of the real world. The reality they are quite happy to ignore. The vast majority of these social program parasites could easily work and buy food and raise their children in two parent homes and keep them in school and not pregnant, but...........why should they, all they've got to do is sign some papers and get a gov't check every month.

Finally if you are correct about Nov's outcome....God help us.

As far as I am concerned this is spot on!

I have no problem with there being programs set up to take care of people who are unable to work for one reason or another. I think that the people that can helping take care of those who can't is part of what makes this country great. However I have no room for someone who is perfectly able to work but is too lazy to get a job and sits at home every day and enjoying all the comforts of home that are provided by the people who is working their *** off trying to provide for a family of their own. And sadly I would bet that the percentage of participants who are taking advantage of this system is closer to 75% than it is to 25%. I personally know people who are just flat out unable to work (some from this site), and I am very happy that there are programs to help them. But for every person I know that is accepting aid from these programs for legit reasons, I can think of 5 or 6 who are using the system because it's much easier than getting off their dead *** and going to work, and that pisses me off. I am not saying that Obama is the only president to back all of these programs and and make it all too easy for people to abuse the system, but I can't think of another president who has done it as much as Obama. He ran for election on the idea that more spending was not the answer and then spent 4 years trying to spend our way out of debt. If I see one more blatant and public display of his disrespect for our flag and country by not bowing his head for a prayer or covering his heart during the National Anthem I am going to explode.

[nofearengineer]

I would vote for eliminating all entitlements. Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare...EVERYTHING.

All government charity ever produces is more outstretched hands.

We used to be a proud people. Proud of how much we could accomplish with our sweat. That pride has been replaced with envy of how much stuff the other guy has.

Now this country is full of people who think it is okay to live off someone else's back, and that you should be ASHAMED of even hinting at not wanting to support them.

Well, you guys know I'm never ashamed to speak my mind.

The true "greedy" are the mob, voting themselves money out of others' pockets. But never fear, these people are going to starve, one way or another. We simply have a choice of whether we go down with them.

[Abbeysdad]

Originally Posted by nofearengineer

I would vote for eliminating all entitlements. Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare...EVERYTHING.

All government charity ever produces is more outstretched hands.

We used to be a proud people. Proud of how much we could accomplish with our sweat. That pride has been replaced with envy of how much stuff the other guy has.

Now this country is full of people who think it is okay to live off someone else's back, and that you should be ASHAMED of even hinting at not wanting to support them.

Well, you guys know I'm never ashamed to speak my mind.

The true "greedy" are the mob, voting themselves money out of others' pockets. But never fear, these people are going to starve, one way or another. We simply have a choice of whether we go down with them.

BS!
Consider that it's an 'entitlement' because many of us have been paying into the required by law Ponzi scheme all of our working lives (about 45 years for me). I am ENTITLED to get some of that money back! Had I been allowed to invest that money instead I would easily be a millionaire today. My retirement is not charity - I bought and paid for it and then some!
The really sad thing is that like so many, I will likely die before I get even a portion of the money I paid in!!!
And they sent Madoff to jail for his Ponzi scheme!

[doc]

Originally Posted by nofearengineer

I would vote for eliminating all entitlements. Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare...EVERYTHING.

All government charity ever produces is more outstretched hands.

We used to be a proud people. Proud of how much we could accomplish with our sweat. That pride has been replaced with envy of how much stuff the other guy has.

Now this country is full of people who think it is okay to live off someone else's back, and that you should be ASHAMED of even hinting at not wanting to support them.

Well, you guys know I'm never ashamed to speak my mind.

The true "greedy" are the mob, voting themselves money out of others' pockets. But never fear, these people are going to starve, one way or another. We simply have a choice of whether we go down with them.

As the father of a disabled child that receives SSI I find your statement very disturbing. Have you ever tried to insure a child with a pre existing condition?
You know those programs were started because there is a real need right, how about we get rid of the people boinking the system. Heaven forbid you get old one day and need to collect benefits for some reason or another. I hope that you will be a man of your own conviction and quickly fade out from exposure, lack of medical attention, or starvation to prove your point (do you see how incorrect that sounded).

[merc1997]

Originally Posted by nofearengineer

I would vote for eliminating all entitlements. Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare...EVERYTHING.

All government charity ever produces is more outstretched hands.

We used to be a proud people. Proud of how much we could accomplish with our sweat. That pride has been replaced with envy of how much stuff the other guy has.

Now this country is full of people who think it is okay to live off someone else's back, and that you should be ASHAMED of even hinting at not wanting to support them.

Well, you guys know I'm never ashamed to speak my mind.

The true "greedy" are the mob, voting themselves money out of others' pockets. But never fear, these people are going to starve, one way or another. We simply have a choice of whether we go down with them.

i want all the money back that i have paid into these programs over the years first, plus compounded interest.

[bassboogieman]

Come November, Romney will be spanked like a 4 year old in K-Mart. I never realized that this forum was filled with so many millionaires who think that the govt is out to get them.

Obama is an obvious Socialist, wanting to "spread the wealth" drawing off money from those that have EARNED it and give it to the who haven't, promoting further their dependance on the government to provide for them rather than giving some incentive for them to help themselves. I acknowledge some of our citizens need assistance, those truely in need should get help. The social programs are in place, they need to be tightened up significantly.

Socialism doesn't work well, especially in a "free" society. Romney is certainly a Capitalist, and Capitalism has made the USA the Country it is today. So there are the two choices we are faced with. Eveyone gets to make a choice, most will make a choice that benifits them rather than a choice which will benifit everyone. The hard choice is the latter one, so which choice will you make?

Remember - this Country was NOT founded on dependance, but rather INDEPENDENCE.

[joedog]

I rarely get into the political arena but just something to think about.

Big business or even small business DOES NOT create jobs.
The middle class CONSUMER creates JOBS.
When we spend our hard earned money on consumer goods the companies then wish to make a larger profit and the way to do that is to HIRE more people to make more product.
So doesn't it make sense to put any and all tax break considerations focused on the middle class? If they have more money to spend, the big boy's want it and hence more jobs and and hence more lower income folks getting middle income wages and hence the cycle repeats itself over and over making the American Dream the goal of the majority and obtainable for the majority. Hard work can once again be a goal because the dream is obtainable.

Remember, this is just my opinion.
I don't care to listen any longer to any trickle down theories or any other theories for that matter.
Give the money to the people that BUY. Pretty simple if you ask me.

[merc1997]

Originally Posted by joedog

I rarely get into the political arena but just something to think about.

Big business or even small business DOES NOT create jobs.
The middle class CONSUMER creates JOBS.
When we spend our hard earned money on consumer goods the companies then wish to make a larger profit and the way to do that is to HIRE more people to make more product.
So doesn't it make sense to put any and all tax break considerations focused on the middle class? If they have more money to spend, the big boy's want it and hence more jobs and and hence more lower income folks getting middle income wages and hence the cycle repeats itself over and over making the American Dream the goal of the majority and obtainable for the majority. Hard work can once again be a goal because the dream is obtainable.

Remember, this is just my opinion.
I don't care to listen any longer to any trickle down theories or any other theories for that matter.
Give the money to the people that BUY. Pretty simple if you ask me.

actually demand of a product is what fuels jobs. then someone with the desire to work hard and figure out how to produce that product (employer) is how jobs are created. the fine balance here is that there has to be a happy medium between employer and workers on an acceptable pay scale. right now, that is a problem, because many of our jobs have left the country because the pay scale is too high. just take a look at which states are in the worst financial condition. the majority are heavily union labor and democrats. do not need to be a rocket scientist to figure out there is a pattern to the being broke problem.

[MO_CPA]

Spanked like a 4 year old in K-Mart...never heard that one but I am pretty sure it is in my grab bag now!

[WTL]

I'm not sure that there has been a President who HASNT violated the War Powers Resolution. Obama wasn't the first, thats for sure.

[bassboogieman]

Just a thought on "trickle down economics": It is not THE answer, but only a part. Big business does create jobs, as does any business. Businees is a pursuit of profits, profits allow expansion (growth), expansion creates jobs, jobs and profits create tax revenue. Excessive taxation on businees, reduces profits and business retaliates by cutting costs - that may mean jobs, or cutting quality and a reversal of the process begins. In the instance of jobs vs profit you only have to look at recent history where business has created a lot of jobs - just out of this country. That's how Capitalism basically works, profits drive business, without profit business ceases to exist as does the tax base.

[joedog]

Originally Posted by bassboogieman

Just a thought on "trickle down economics": It is not THE answer, but only a part. Big business does create jobs, as does any business. Businees is a pursuit of profits, profits allow expansion (growth), expansion creates jobs, jobs and profits create tax revenue. Excessive taxation on businees, reduces profits and business retaliates by cutting costs - that may mean jobs, or cutting quality and a reversal of the process begins. In the instance of jobs vs profit you only have to look at recent history where business has created a lot of jobs - just out of this country. That's how Capitalism basically works, profits drive business, without profit business ceases to exist as does the tax base.

It all comes to a halt when the consumer STOPS buying.

[Top Tiger]

Originally Posted by joedog

It all comes to a halt when the consumer STOPS buying.

And the consumer stops buying because XYZ Corp. shipped his job to China or some other place where workers rights, job safety, child labor laws and all those other pesky regulations aren't in play. More profit that way. After all, isn't that what corporations are all about.