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Old 11-01-10, 02:14 AM   #1
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Question Creature baits

OK guys, here's the next in the series of Jim's annoying questions.

How many of you use a creature bait to flip/pitch? I picked up a couple bags of Bush Hogs a few days ago. They look great, but what would cause you to use them instead of a flipping jig?
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A t-rigged craw or creature bait is more weedless than any jig. When I pitch a plastic, I usually use a 3/8oz Tru Tungsten Denny Brauer Flippin Weight, but will vary the weight depending on the cover I'm flipping.

Also, any bait you t-rig and pitch/flip can also be used as a jig trailer; craws, brush hogs, beavers, etc.

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Old 11-01-10, 07:12 AM   #3
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I pitch creature baits all the time with success. I'm usually pitching a Beaver bait or a Gary Yamamoto Kreature. Both t rigged with a tungsten weight.
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My favorite creature bait to pitch is a beaver style bait. I peg a Tru Tungsten Flippin Weight and use a Gamakatsu Skip Gap hook. I like using plastics because they are completely weedless. I use heavy braid and don't have to worry about hanging up in trees or vegetation. This bait rigged in this fashion can go anywhere.
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Correct me if i am wrong, but doesn't using plastics give a little more time for hook set? When hopping a jig, it is common practice to set the hook immediately after the bite, where as with plastics you can drop the rod tip, reel out slack, and set hook. I assume this is because a soft plastic lure feels more real than a jig head with a big ole weedguard. So maybe if the fish are finicky and spitting your jigs out quick before you can get a good hookset, a soft creature bait may get the job done...

That's all guess as I don't have much vegetation to flip in here in Kentucky... just a few old lay downs...
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thats all guess as i dont have much vegetation to flip in here in kentucky... just a few old lay downs...
That's my situation too. Laydowns and boat docks and the odd stump or boulder.
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When there isn't much vegetation, I prefer to put them on a stand up head. For me they fall a little straighter and stand up better on the rocks and laydowns.
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http://www.ownerhooks.com/pages/prod...ultraheads.htm
My favorate bait for pitching into the junk is the yamamoto kreature. The biggest drawback is that they rip failry easy.
http://www.tacklewarehouse.com/descpage-YAK.html

I admit that there is nothing weedless about these setups, but again I am talking about places without weeds.
If I need weedless, I put the baits on the owner sled head which is the 5th from the top on the owner link.
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I'm also guessing that a bait like a Bush Hog will attract bigger fish due to it's size, kinda like jigs normally catch bigger fish than worms. Right?
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I think that is dependant on many variables. I have done well with the large brush hawgs, but have also caught small fish on them. I think we have all caught a fish where we wondered, "what was he thinking" Usually those are more of a reactionary/defensive strike. When flipping/pitching almsot all of my hits are while it is falling so I don't know that the fish has done much of an evaluation on the size of the bait. They just know that it is in their zone. For me, the key has been finding a zone where it can only really house one fish. Like a hole in the rocks or against the one lone stump.
If I pitch along a large weedline, then it is a crap shoot as to how big the fish will be.
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I think most of it is personal preference. A creature bait and a jig are supposed to (for the most part) duplicate a crawfish. Here's when I throw each bait....
Lake fishing
heavy wood (beaver hut) - I'll throw a jig over plastic. Less likely to get hung up.
single laydowns - either choice is good - depends on what I have on the deck
rock - chunk rock (rip rap) - heavy jig 1/2oz does the trick
rock - gravel - t-rigged creature bait is my go to bait
grass - milfoil - 3/8 to 1oz flipping weight and craw is primary but I've done well on a jig too.
grass - hydrilla - 1oz grass jig with craw trailer works as good as a flipping weight. And you don't have to worry about pegging the weight with the jig.

Tidal river
In the same situations my primary bait is the creature bait. It falls with the current much better due to the wider surface area (think Sweet Beaver) except in the beaver huts and hydrilla mats I'll use the jig. If I'm fishing a grass edge it will definately be a creature bait.

Some of the reason I like creature baits is that I can change sizes and colors without retying the bait. I can also change to a worm or another bait without retying too.
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Old 11-03-10, 05:28 PM   #11
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Sometimes they are just better than jigs, better than crawls, lizards or anything else. I like the Baby Brush hogs most of the time, but if I go where big fish are known to be a full size brush hog or similar bait gets the nod. My sponsor has a bait called the Mutant, that I have caught a lot of fish on, but I never leave home without my old standby brush hogs in Green pumpkin, Green pumpkin red flake, Watermelon Red Flake, and watermelon candy.
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Old 11-03-10, 06:04 PM   #12
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THAT IS WICKED BOB-O!! I have gotten a nice collection of creature baits i too am wanting to use more often. Now that i have enough setups in my arsenal, i can do this. Where i normally fish there is LOTS of grass so a screw in weight will be the standard as well. As well as BRAID, right anthony? LOL!!
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Those Grande Bass Mutants are awesome baits Bob! I've caught a lot of fish on them as well.
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They are indeed, Jrob!!
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That is one cool looking bait Bob!!!!
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