Does working with your hands make you a better angler?

JB · 07-14-06, 08:17 PM

So, what ya think? Have you ever noticed that the majority of better anglers on tournament trails work with thier hands for a living verses
perhaps professional white collar anglers?
Theres plenty of people that aren't blue collar that are top notch
anglers, however in my neck of the woods, the better ones are blue collar..
Any opinions?

ILfishinman · 07-14-06, 08:21 PM

well people who work witht their hands probly have better developed muscles in their hands. also what do blue collar and white collar mean?

JB · 07-14-06, 08:28 PM

White collor means like a white shirt and tie, a professional type, teacher, lawyer, doctor, soda jerk...
blue collar is laborer like my past jobs of bricklayer/fireplace builder,
Steel worker crane operater, concrete finisher...
Thats a pretty broad perspective tho, theres plenty of jobs that fall in the blue collar like service and technical too..

ILfishinman · 07-14-06, 08:30 PM

ah ok thanks for clearing that up

WTL · 07-14-06, 08:34 PM

White collar people tend to be golfers though, and much better golfers than those used to making a living with their hands. I think the relationship is based solely on the popularity of fishing amongst blue-collar workers.

zooker · 07-14-06, 08:47 PM

i totally agree wid billy bob.. bass fishing is a sport that is about man verus the wild beast.. golf is more man veruses the hole design.. they about even out price wise as a member ship plus green fees can be $5000 a year and they go up big time. figure a single club is about $200-average-each 11 clubs per bag. plus balls-need alot of those- 12 pack of balls is roughly $5..

yep it comes out about the same as us poor guys trying to fool mother nature..

zooker

JB · 07-14-06, 08:52 PM

the first thing I noticed when I started tournament fishing back in the 80s, was that I was already used to working in all kinds of outdoor conditions, and many of my boaters would melt down when rain, or fowl weather hit the lake for the weekend, where I was already kinda used to having a wet face and hands all day..to me it was no big whoop....after awhile I noticed they didnt fish as hard, so that to me was an advantage..let them go through the motions so to speak..

fishin fool · 07-14-06, 09:52 PM

Think it depends on the individual regardless of occupation. My dentist definete white collar position, was raised in the sticks and muskie fishes constantly. Anyone who has ever muskie fished knows that is definetly the fish of a 1000 casts. This sorry son of a gun will wear you out to. I used to muskie fish with him some and he's just like me. There's always 1 more cast to be made but heck after 12 hours of working a 12" jerkbait that weighs about 6 oz. with a rod that's like a broom handle and a dang reel that's more like a winch you'll have forearms like Popeye. Aint no wonder he's so good at pullin teeth.

mymomisbecky · 07-15-06, 10:23 AM

First of all, I am a golfer and a fisherman. Growing up, golf was our families sport. I played since I was about 2. Played high school and college golf and played in number tournaments. Most of that time i was about a 2 handicap. Then I kind of burned out. I moved to TX, couldnt afford to play anymore, and came back to Iowa without the desire. I bought a boat, and it was all over then. I dont think its so much as blue collar white collar, i think its a personality thing. For me, I am considered white collar. Im a network administrator for my full time job, but I love fishing. I think its all about "THE GRIND" of golf for me. Golf is work. TO be competitive at a high level, is work, no way around it. FIshing, although its a challenge, and takes practice, it never feels like work to me. It never feels like the grind that golf did. Im always on the boat, relaxed, calm, trying my best to fish my best, but when it comes down to it, its just easier.
THats my take anyway, from someone who grew up one way, and turned in to another.

crankybait · 07-15-06, 10:28 AM

woah, im going to turn into a white collar dude. and hopefully that doesnt mean i wll be worse at fishing... i dont plan on taking up golf either. i dont know... i think doctors would have steadier hands and perhaps a little more concentration. not saying theyre better, but i think when i grow up ill be as good at fishing as anyone else.

mymomisbecky · 07-15-06, 10:32 AM

One more thing, I do think white collar people feel a LITTLE more pressure to take up golf because its a sport that can very much further their career... I cant tell you how many people I met that have offered me very high paying jobs, while on the golf course. Thats just a fact of life though

FlyRod · 07-15-06, 11:12 AM

JB!!! If I've told you once, I've told you a million times! STAY OUT OF MY MAKEUP!

Love,
Yer Spouse

That's some avatar ya' got there, JB.

JB · 07-15-06, 11:33 AM

Rats Flyrod,
I didn't think ya'd notice, I'll change jus fer U!~

lizardsrule · 07-15-06, 10:35 PM

Not sure if it makes me a better angler, but it definately makes me a better lover

Lizards

JB · 07-16-06, 08:06 PM

Lizards,
ya finally getting some of that "southern hospitality" rofl

zooker · 07-17-06, 06:26 PM

yeah his left hand.. lol...

zooker

lizardsrule · 07-17-06, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zooker

yeah his left hand.. lol...

zooker

You guys are killing me here

rotflmao. By the way I'm anyisexstros

Lizards

WIbassfisherman · 07-18-06, 11:41 PM

Teacher as a daytime job here. Put a blue-collar guy and a white collar guy on the water for the same amount of time with the same amount of knowledge and it makes not difference. Desire + Time on the Water+ application of knowledge in seasonal patterns or conditions = success. Doesn't matter if you lift a pen or a hammer.

This thread is bogus.

JB · 07-19-06, 07:02 AM

So in effect you're saying you would gladly give up your special ed teaching job to become a angler full time, that works with his hands...whats so bogus about that?

IL.bassin · 07-19-06, 09:48 AM

I dunno JB. It's the same here. Blue collar anglers are better. But there are more of us too.

But then again, growing up my grandpa owned a campground on a major lake. He was big in the tourneys and most of the anglers stayed there or at least ate at the resteraunt. I got to know them pretty well. The Lawyers, dentists, doctors etc... spent more time on the water than the others. I only remember one time when Doc Cain won a tourney.

So I dunno. I can see where a case could be made for the blue collar boys maybe more hand eye coordination. I gotta say though I'm a brickmason and at only 36, a long day on the lake my hands are crampin a long boatride my backs killin me. After an 8 hour tourney I feel like I've been in a fight. And when I get home sometimes it like this:

My worse half: So how did you do?

ME: Got in the money.

MWH: How much?

ME: $350

MWH: Lets go to the mall.

ME: I'm really tired.

MWH: All you did was fish all day.

ME:

JB · 07-19-06, 11:49 AM

I tend to think the ham n eggers that slave all day get off earlier than the 9-5 whitecollar guys, and have more time to fish JMO..actually this thread was only written in the first place to take some attention off everyone grippin about the newbie rofl

IL.bassin · 07-19-06, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JB

I tend to think the ham n eggers that slave all day get off earlier than the 9-5 whitecollar guys, and have more time to fish JMO..actually this thread was only written in the first place to take some attention off everyone grippin about the newbie rofl

True but alot of the White collar guys can afford to take a day or two to prefish.

JB · 07-19-06, 12:54 PM

Point well taken, I still think laborers that are used to working in all kind of conditions outside day in and out, are more used to weather changes and don't let them effect their game quiet as much....theres pro's and cons and the issue thats for sure...the best thing is that we all are passionate about bass fishing!

tko · 07-19-06, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mymomisbecky

First of all, I am a golfer and a fisherman. Growing up, golf was our families sport. I played since I was about 2. Played high school and college golf and played in number tournaments. Most of that time i was about a 2 handicap. Then I kind of burned out. I moved to TX, couldnt afford to play anymore, and came back to Iowa without the desire. I bought a boat, and it was all over then. I dont think its so much as blue collar white collar, i think its a personality thing. For me, I am considered white collar. Im a network administrator for my full time job, but I love fishing. I think its all about "THE GRIND" of golf for me. Golf is work. TO be competitive at a high level, is work, no way around it. FIshing, although its a challenge, and takes practice, it never feels like work to me. It never feels like the grind that golf did. Im always on the boat, relaxed, calm, trying my best to fish my best, but when it comes down to it, its just easier.
THats my take anyway, from someone who grew up one way, and turned in to another.

I am in a very similar situation, played golf in HS, and even went to work in the golf industry as a assistant superintendent, definately blue collar work. I left the industry after about 9 yrs and became a mortgage loan officer, definitely white collar. I had eye problems last year and had to have a corneal transplant in one eye, so I basically lost all depth perception for about 8 months, which made playing golf very difficult. I took up fishing again after an 18 yr layoff and really have lost the desire to go out an play golf. I was a 6 handicap and like you said, golf seemed like more work to get good and stay good, and I know that all the time I spend on the water and learning new techniques is work as well but it definitely doesn't feel like work. I have about $1500 worth of golf equipment in my garage that I am considering selling, because I don't use it much and I think of all the fishing stuff I could get.

HOG Ranger · 07-19-06, 06:35 PM

I honestly think your chosen profession has nothing to do with it. Fishing is all about desire and will and if you have those the weather elements don't come into play.

I was blue collar for 20 years and have been white collar for the past 10. Like was posted earlier, my dentist is a muskie fisherman and a very good one.

07-14-06, 08:17 PM	#1
JB BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,655	Does working with your hands make you a better angler? So, what ya think? Have you ever noticed that the majority of better anglers on tournament trails work with thier hands for a living verses perhaps professional white collar anglers? Theres plenty of people that aren't blue collar that are top notch anglers, however in my neck of the woods, the better ones are blue collar.. Any opinions?

07-14-06, 08:21 PM	#2
ILfishinman BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Champaign, Illinois Posts: 706	well people who work witht their hands probly have better developed muscles in their hands. also what do blue collar and white collar mean? __________________ If light moves at 670616629 MPH, how fast is Dark? Bass count 07: lost count

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ILfishinman BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Champaign, Illinois Posts: 706	ah ok thanks for clearing that up __________________ If light moves at 670616629 MPH, how fast is Dark? Bass count 07: lost count

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WTL BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Huntsville, Al Posts: 7,466	White collar people tend to be golfers though, and much better golfers than those used to making a living with their hands. I think the relationship is based solely on the popularity of fishing amongst blue-collar workers. __________________ Selling live waterdogs for less since 2005.

07-14-06, 08:47 PM	#6
zooker BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: denton nc Posts: 13,441	i totally agree wid billy bob.. bass fishing is a sport that is about man verus the wild beast.. golf is more man veruses the hole design.. they about even out price wise as a member ship plus green fees can be $5000 a year and they go up big time. figure a single club is about $200-average-each 11 clubs per bag. plus balls-need alot of those- 12 pack of balls is roughly $5.. yep it comes out about the same as us poor guys trying to fool mother nature.. zooker __________________ the godfather.. aml in remission since 7-20-09

07-14-06, 08:28 PM	#3
JB BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,655	White collor means like a white shirt and tie, a professional type, teacher, lawyer, doctor, soda jerk... blue collar is laborer like my past jobs of bricklayer/fireplace builder, Steel worker crane operater, concrete finisher... Thats a pretty broad perspective tho, theres plenty of jobs that fall in the blue collar like service and technical too..

07-14-06, 08:52 PM	#7
JB BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,655	the first thing I noticed when I started tournament fishing back in the 80s, was that I was already used to working in all kinds of outdoor conditions, and many of my boaters would melt down when rain, or fowl weather hit the lake for the weekend, where I was already kinda used to having a wet face and hands all day..to me it was no big whoop....after awhile I noticed they didnt fish as hard, so that to me was an advantage..let them go through the motions so to speak..

07-14-06, 09:52 PM	#8
fishin fool BassFishin.Com Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Winfield,WV Posts: 65	Think it depends on the individual regardless of occupation. My dentist definete white collar position, was raised in the sticks and muskie fishes constantly. Anyone who has ever muskie fished knows that is definetly the fish of a 1000 casts. This sorry son of a gun will wear you out to. I used to muskie fish with him some and he's just like me. There's always 1 more cast to be made but heck after 12 hours of working a 12" jerkbait that weighs about 6 oz. with a rod that's like a broom handle and a dang reel that's more like a winch you'll have forearms like Popeye. Aint no wonder he's so good at pullin teeth.

07-15-06, 10:23 AM	#9
mymomisbecky BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Des MOines, IA Posts: 336	First of all, I am a golfer and a fisherman. Growing up, golf was our families sport. I played since I was about 2. Played high school and college golf and played in number tournaments. Most of that time i was about a 2 handicap. Then I kind of burned out. I moved to TX, couldnt afford to play anymore, and came back to Iowa without the desire. I bought a boat, and it was all over then. I dont think its so much as blue collar white collar, i think its a personality thing. For me, I am considered white collar. Im a network administrator for my full time job, but I love fishing. I think its all about "THE GRIND" of golf for me. Golf is work. TO be competitive at a high level, is work, no way around it. FIshing, although its a challenge, and takes practice, it never feels like work to me. It never feels like the grind that golf did. Im always on the boat, relaxed, calm, trying my best to fish my best, but when it comes down to it, its just easier. THats my take anyway, from someone who grew up one way, and turned in to another.

07-15-06, 10:28 AM	#10
crankybait BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: marlboro, nj Posts: 3,250	woah, im going to turn into a white collar dude. and hopefully that doesnt mean i wll be worse at fishing... i dont plan on taking up golf either. i dont know... i think doctors would have steadier hands and perhaps a little more concentration. not saying theyre better, but i think when i grow up ill be as good at fishing as anyone else. __________________ www.fishinfanatics.com

07-15-06, 10:32 AM	#11
mymomisbecky BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Des MOines, IA Posts: 336	One more thing, I do think white collar people feel a LITTLE more pressure to take up golf because its a sport that can very much further their career... I cant tell you how many people I met that have offered me very high paying jobs, while on the golf course. Thats just a fact of life though

07-15-06, 11:12 AM	#12
FlyRod BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,270	JB!!! If I've told you once, I've told you a million times! STAY OUT OF MY MAKEUP! Love, Yer Spouse That's some avatar ya' got there, JB.

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JB BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,655	Rats Flyrod, I didn't think ya'd notice, I'll change jus fer U!~

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lizardsrule BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saint Augustine, FL Posts: 7,374	Not sure if it makes me a better angler, but it definately makes me a better lover Lizards __________________ There are three types of Snakes I hate 1. Live Snakes 2. Dead Snakes 3. Sticks that look like Snakes. And Gators too!

07-16-06, 08:06 PM	#15
JB BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,655	Lizards, ya finally getting some of that "southern hospitality" rofl

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zooker BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: denton nc Posts: 13,441	yeah his left hand.. lol... zooker __________________ the godfather.. aml in remission since 7-20-09

07-18-06, 11:41 PM	#18
WIbassfisherman BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Hartland, Wisconsin Posts: 151	Teacher as a daytime job here. Put a blue-collar guy and a white collar guy on the water for the same amount of time with the same amount of knowledge and it makes not difference. Desire + Time on the Water+ application of knowledge in seasonal patterns or conditions = success. Doesn't matter if you lift a pen or a hammer. This thread is bogus. __________________ T-Rexx Lure Co. Prostaff

07-19-06, 07:02 AM	#19
JB BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,655	So in effect you're saying you would gladly give up your special ed teaching job to become a angler full time, that works with his hands...whats so bogus about that?

07-19-06, 09:48 AM	#20
IL.bassin BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: May 2006 Location: So. Ill. Posts: 1,026	I dunno JB. It's the same here. Blue collar anglers are better. But there are more of us too. But then again, growing up my grandpa owned a campground on a major lake. He was big in the tourneys and most of the anglers stayed there or at least ate at the resteraunt. I got to know them pretty well. The Lawyers, dentists, doctors etc... spent more time on the water than the others. I only remember one time when Doc Cain won a tourney. So I dunno. I can see where a case could be made for the blue collar boys maybe more hand eye coordination. I gotta say though I'm a brickmason and at only 36, a long day on the lake my hands are crampin a long boatride my backs killin me. After an 8 hour tourney I feel like I've been in a fight. And when I get home sometimes it like this: My worse half: So how did you do? ME: Got in the money. MWH: How much? ME: $350 MWH: Lets go to the mall. ME: I'm really tired. MWH: All you did was fish all day. ME:

07-19-06, 11:49 AM	#21
JB BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,655	I tend to think the ham n eggers that slave all day get off earlier than the 9-5 whitecollar guys, and have more time to fish JMO..actually this thread was only written in the first place to take some attention off everyone grippin about the newbie rofl

07-19-06, 12:54 PM	#23
JB BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,655	Point well taken, I still think laborers that are used to working in all kind of conditions outside day in and out, are more used to weather changes and don't let them effect their game quiet as much....theres pro's and cons and the issue thats for sure...the best thing is that we all are passionate about bass fishing!

07-19-06, 06:35 PM	#25
HOG Ranger BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Rockford, IL Posts: 306	I honestly think your chosen profession has nothing to do with it. Fishing is all about desire and will and if you have those the weather elements don't come into play. I was blue collar for 20 years and have been white collar for the past 10. Like was posted earlier, my dentist is a muskie fisherman and a very good one.

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