lake vs pond

ironman · 08-12-06, 09:35 PM

I go out on a lake about ever other saturday and me and my parent's have never caught any bass at lakes but if we go to the local TINY pond we catch about 10 bass why would this be different from a lake?

mack · 08-12-06, 09:42 PM

cause the lake is a meany..

ironman · 08-12-06, 10:01 PM

And that mean's what?

Fishing4Soup · 08-12-06, 10:14 PM

Well, in the pond, you cover almost allt he water in a few casts so the fish see the lure. In the lake, you're covering a small fraction of the water, especially if you are fishing from shore and chances are there are 1 or 2 bass swimming around in that area.

ironman · 08-12-06, 10:26 PM

ooooh. Do you guy's know any tip's to catch fish at the lakes because belive it or not I have never caught a bass at a lake. We have tryed every thing, we switch spot's every hour or so and change lures often but not to much, I have know idea what to do and my parent's want to give up because they are sick of going out and not catching anything and they want to switch to salt water fishing witch I refuse to do so their going to stop taking me if we don't start catching anything soon.

flamez · 08-12-06, 10:56 PM

ask the locals if their catching any and how ide just start chucking everything in your tackle box untill you find what they want try using a finesse worm on light spinning gear wacky rigged see if that works

keithdog · 08-12-06, 11:17 PM

See if you can find a topo map of the lakes you fish. That will show you the structure of the lakes bottom. Take it to the bait shop in your area and ask if they can point out areas on the lake that are known to produce. Also, take the maps out on the lakes with you and mark various features on the maps. Areas like stump fields, large piers, lilly pad fields, large underwater weed beds, isolated weed beds, anything that may help decifer the lakes makeup. If you have a depth finder make notes of anything you find not shown on the map. Also, take note of the land surounding the lake and notice where there are steep banks that meet the shorline. That usually means a faster drop off rate continued into the lake. A point on land continues well into the lake. Look for a good book which explains structure fishing and how to use your maps. In time you will begin to understand how to read a lake and where the potential hotspots are. As you start catching fish, mark those areas on your lake maps and then ask yourself why the fish were where they were. You must take into consideration the time of year, and past as well as present weather conditions. You might even consider getting a small note book to keep in your tackle box to take notes of each day you go fishing. Things such as date, weather conditions, time of day, fish caught, where and how. All these things will allow you to learn and understand the hows and whys of bass fishing. Keep plugging kid!

ironman · 08-13-06, 08:43 AM

Ok, thank's for that great post keithdog. Do you know any website's were you find map's of lakes.

ironman · 08-13-06, 09:02 AM

http://www.jimporter.org/lakes/george/lake.jpg
I found this map. What spot's do you guy's recommend and what do those thing's in the middle of the map with the dotted line around them mean?

pig n jig · 08-13-06, 09:03 AM

Its easier to catch fish from a lake than it is a pond.The trick is to know when you have got to move to a different area.I would say if you have had a bite in 20 minutes, you best be movin to a new area, or get on the trolling motor and cover alot of water. P N J

ironman · 08-13-06, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by pig n jig

Its easier to catch fish from a lake than it is a pond.The trick is to know when you have got to move to a different area.I would say if you have had a bite in 20 minutes, you best be movin to a new area, or get on the trolling motor and cover alot of water. P N J

Don't you mean if I don't have a bite in 20 min. to move? or did you?

pig n jig · 08-13-06, 09:26 AM

Just seeing if you were actually paying attention to your posts.If you had a bite in 20 minutes you best be moving.Of course if you ain't had a bite in 12 minutes , you best be moving.When your on active fish, you should catch more than 1 fish per 20 minutes, most likely have more than 4 bites by then.You just had to spew some swear words because you have the reflexes of a dead cow and missed the first 2 bites before you realized it was a fish.A pond, you might fish for 3, or 4 hours before you figure out what they want.At a lake, you have thousands of fish compared to the limited amount of fish in a pond, providing you have a boat to fish more than the few spots your able to from the shoreline on the lake.P N J

ironman · 08-13-06, 09:45 AM

when you say after 20 minutes and you don't have a bite move does that mean I should ancore for 20 minutes or troll for 20 minutes?What do you reccomend for the map on spot's to go?

bassking22 · 08-13-06, 09:59 AM

I can't see the map clearly, but if there is a dam, in cooler weather, work it up and down, with a shallow crankbait, or weightless plastics. If you get nothing after that, go to the end of the dam, and parallel the riprap. The only fish I have caught on lakes, which were all in the spring, came off the dam.

keithdog · 08-13-06, 10:17 AM

I saw the map you posted Iron and the problem with it is that is does not show you the underwater structure of the lake such as the depth structures, drop offs and so on. It's like an arial photo. I suggest going to a baitshop near the lake and ask for a Topo map of the lake. The bait shops around here all have maps of lakes in our area. Once you get the map you can start pin pointing areas likely to hold fish, such as areas where deep water lies close to shore, channels extending into the lake, under water humps which are areas where the bottom of the lake is shallower than the surrounding water.

ironman · 08-13-06, 10:19 AM

Ok, thank's you guy's.

ironman · 08-13-06, 11:57 AM

I just called all the bait shop's in the nearest 5 county's and none of them had any topo map's is thair a special website where you guy's find that stuff?

ILfishinman · 08-13-06, 12:12 PM

he means baitshop located around the lake, like within a mile or so

bassnman30 · 08-13-06, 12:30 PM

ironman, the stratement regarding 12 to 20 mins primarily covers (in my opinion) trolling down a bank and casting.
Sometimes fish may be on banks with no structure.

ironman · 08-13-06, 06:35 PM

Do you guy's recommend trolling for 20 minutes on the little inlets or just the tip's of the spot's.

08-12-06, 09:35 PM	#1
ironman BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: palm coast florida Posts: 879	lake vs pond I go out on a lake about ever other saturday and me and my parent's have never caught any bass at lakes but if we go to the local TINY pond we catch about 10 bass why would this be different from a lake?

08-12-06, 10:56 PM	#6
flamez BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: St.Cloud Central Florida Posts: 910	ask the locals if their catching any and how ide just start chucking everything in your tackle box untill you find what they want try using a finesse worm on light spinning gear wacky rigged see if that works __________________ "You got that right flamez, only one other bait more fun to throw than a buzzbait, and thats a sand minnow!" - Trap

08-13-06, 09:45 AM	#13
ironman BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: palm coast florida Posts: 879	when you say after 20 minutes and you don't have a bite move does that mean I should ancore for 20 minutes or troll for 20 minutes?What do you reccomend for the map on spot's to go? Last edited by ironman; 08-13-06 at 10:00 AM.

08-13-06, 09:59 AM	#14
bassking22 BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 630	I can't see the map clearly, but if there is a dam, in cooler weather, work it up and down, with a shallow crankbait, or weightless plastics. If you get nothing after that, go to the end of the dam, and parallel the riprap. The only fish I have caught on lakes, which were all in the spring, came off the dam. __________________ Does anyone know of a fishing addictions program? Cause I need one.

08-13-06, 12:12 PM	#18
ILfishinman BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Champaign, Illinois Posts: 706	he means baitshop located around the lake, like within a mile or so __________________ If light moves at 670616629 MPH, how fast is Dark? Bass count 07: lost count

08-12-06, 09:42 PM	#2
mack BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: nj Posts: 652	cause the lake is a meany..

08-12-06, 10:01 PM	#3
ironman BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: palm coast florida Posts: 879	And that mean's what?

08-12-06, 10:14 PM	#4
Fishing4Soup BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Fairport, NY Posts: 278	Well, in the pond, you cover almost allt he water in a few casts so the fish see the lure. In the lake, you're covering a small fraction of the water, especially if you are fishing from shore and chances are there are 1 or 2 bass swimming around in that area.

08-12-06, 10:26 PM	#5
ironman BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: palm coast florida Posts: 879	ooooh. Do you guy's know any tip's to catch fish at the lakes because belive it or not I have never caught a bass at a lake. We have tryed every thing, we switch spot's every hour or so and change lures often but not to much, I have know idea what to do and my parent's want to give up because they are sick of going out and not catching anything and they want to switch to salt water fishing witch I refuse to do so their going to stop taking me if we don't start catching anything soon.

08-12-06, 11:17 PM	#7
keithdog BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: IN Posts: 8,308	See if you can find a topo map of the lakes you fish. That will show you the structure of the lakes bottom. Take it to the bait shop in your area and ask if they can point out areas on the lake that are known to produce. Also, take the maps out on the lakes with you and mark various features on the maps. Areas like stump fields, large piers, lilly pad fields, large underwater weed beds, isolated weed beds, anything that may help decifer the lakes makeup. If you have a depth finder make notes of anything you find not shown on the map. Also, take note of the land surounding the lake and notice where there are steep banks that meet the shorline. That usually means a faster drop off rate continued into the lake. A point on land continues well into the lake. Look for a good book which explains structure fishing and how to use your maps. In time you will begin to understand how to read a lake and where the potential hotspots are. As you start catching fish, mark those areas on your lake maps and then ask yourself why the fish were where they were. You must take into consideration the time of year, and past as well as present weather conditions. You might even consider getting a small note book to keep in your tackle box to take notes of each day you go fishing. Things such as date, weather conditions, time of day, fish caught, where and how. All these things will allow you to learn and understand the hows and whys of bass fishing. Keep plugging kid!

08-13-06, 08:43 AM	#8
ironman BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: palm coast florida Posts: 879	Ok, thank's for that great post keithdog. Do you know any website's were you find map's of lakes.

08-13-06, 09:02 AM	#9
ironman BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: palm coast florida Posts: 879	http://www.jimporter.org/lakes/george/lake.jpg I found this map. What spot's do you guy's recommend and what do those thing's in the middle of the map with the dotted line around them mean?

08-13-06, 09:03 AM	#10
pig n jig BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Avoca, NY Posts: 3,508	Its easier to catch fish from a lake than it is a pond.The trick is to know when you have got to move to a different area.I would say if you have had a bite in 20 minutes, you best be movin to a new area, or get on the trolling motor and cover alot of water. P N J

08-13-06, 09:26 AM	#12
pig n jig BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Avoca, NY Posts: 3,508	Just seeing if you were actually paying attention to your posts.If you had a bite in 20 minutes you best be moving.Of course if you ain't had a bite in 12 minutes , you best be moving.When your on active fish, you should catch more than 1 fish per 20 minutes, most likely have more than 4 bites by then.You just had to spew some swear words because you have the reflexes of a dead cow and missed the first 2 bites before you realized it was a fish.A pond, you might fish for 3, or 4 hours before you figure out what they want.At a lake, you have thousands of fish compared to the limited amount of fish in a pond, providing you have a boat to fish more than the few spots your able to from the shoreline on the lake.P N J

08-13-06, 10:17 AM	#15
keithdog BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: IN Posts: 8,308	I saw the map you posted Iron and the problem with it is that is does not show you the underwater structure of the lake such as the depth structures, drop offs and so on. It's like an arial photo. I suggest going to a baitshop near the lake and ask for a Topo map of the lake. The bait shops around here all have maps of lakes in our area. Once you get the map you can start pin pointing areas likely to hold fish, such as areas where deep water lies close to shore, channels extending into the lake, under water humps which are areas where the bottom of the lake is shallower than the surrounding water.

08-13-06, 10:19 AM	#16
ironman BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: palm coast florida Posts: 879	Ok, thank's you guy's.

08-13-06, 11:57 AM	#17
ironman BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: palm coast florida Posts: 879	I just called all the bait shop's in the nearest 5 county's and none of them had any topo map's is thair a special website where you guy's find that stuff?

08-13-06, 12:30 PM	#19
bassnman30 BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Lexington,NC-Worlds best BBQ. Posts: 1,945	ironman, the stratement regarding 12 to 20 mins primarily covers (in my opinion) trolling down a bank and casting. Sometimes fish may be on banks with no structure. __________________ Lexington,NC.

08-13-06, 06:35 PM	#20
ironman BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: palm coast florida Posts: 879	Do you guy's recommend trolling for 20 minutes on the little inlets or just the tip's of the spot's. Last edited by ironman; 08-13-06 at 08:54 PM.

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