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Old 07-09-09, 11:46 PM   #101
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All of this Palin talk is pointless. She has absolutely zero chance of being elected to any national office.
Tell that to the media haters. I've lived through more than a few presidential elections, and never have I seen a losing Vice Presidential candidate continue to be pounded by the media like this. They keep saying that she's unelectable, but then why do they care enough to continue harassing her?

John McCain came to her, asked her to join his campaign. Who the heck would pass up a chance to run for VP? Then even his campaign team started in on her, and she hasn't caught a break ever since. Again, I'm not endorsing her in any way...but the way she was basically drummed out of office was a crock. I don't think she should have quit, but then again, I'm not being dragged into court every day for a year on my own dime.
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OK then, I'll say it.

Palin has zero chance, none, of being elected President.

The media keeps talking about her cause she is such a joke. And she has intentionally kept herself out there to be made a joke.

Look, I know some of our conservative board members want to rally around her. Listen, we need to cut her lose as soon as possible. She is a tremendous political liability. I am afraid of her. The liberals want her to be nominated, they are begging us to do it.
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I just hope someone worthwhile comes around, so far I haven't seen a one of them that isn't a joke. I mean really... Is this the best we can find as leaders? Tweetle dee dumb down at the bar... the guy that keeps talking to the jukebox can do better than these people. I sure trust him a lot more.
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The best thing for us might be for us to retake Congress and see Obama reelected in 2012 as a flawed leader.

The GOP destroyed itself for a major reason; it was the party in power and it didn't deserve it. The men in charge didn't deserve it.

When your party has the President, your party basically always follows that guy. It makes it very tough for you to have a conservative agenda passed because the nature of the Presidency encourages executive action, and when all of Congress follows that guy conservative ideals are sorta brushed aside.

It may be better for Obama to be all alone and stymied by an active and more independent collection of principled conservatives in Congress while we prepare our candidate for 8 years down the road.

The guy I am really high on right now is actually Rand Paul. He is Ron's son, a little more pragmatic, and a much better public speaker. He is considering running in Kentucky for Senate which could in theory groom him for the big gig.
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Old 07-10-09, 04:19 AM   #105
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The best thing for us might be for us to retake Congress and see Obama reelected in 2012 as a flawed leader.

It may be better for Obama to be all alone and stymied by an active and more independent collection of principled conservatives in Congress while we prepare our candidate for 8 years down the road.

The guy I am really high on right now is actually Rand Paul. He is Ron's son, a little more pragmatic, and a much better public speaker. He is considering running in Kentucky for Senate which could in theory groom him for the big gig.
We don't have 8 years to fight off and undo Osama B. Obama's socialist and anti-American doings. If we endure his depredations until 2020 it's highly unlikely that we can reverse such measures as nationalized health care, the destruction of capitalism, and the deprivation of many of our most fundamental rights.
We need to assure a Republican/Conservative majority in Congress not later than 2010 and try to undo what damage has been done.
Of course, should President Zero not be reelected, there will be cries of racism and bloody uprisings in certain parts of the country.
By the time the next election rolls around, the Libs may well have assured the franchising of the hordes of illegal immigrants now in this country and those to follow between now and then. That will insure the end of America as it intended to be and as we've enjoyed and treasured it...and as some of us have shed blood to defend.
In that regard, defense of our way of life will have to be conducted with bare hands if Zero and his commissars remain in power past 2010/2012...By then they will have succeeded in disarming us. Then we will be helpless sheep.
Democrats are Vote *****s, and will pander to anyone who can make an "X" on a ballot. They do so with no regard for the future their own children and successive generations will face. It's not the party of Harry Truman any longer and has not been since LBJ began our slide into Hell.
So far as Ron, Rand, or ANY Paul is concerned, well, forget it.
And, BTW, when will ACORN be called to account? Answer: Never, so long as the batch of miscreants I listed in my previous post hold sway, bolstered by a Supreme Court that has been perverted by the addition of Ms. Sotomayor and any additional Socialists Zero may nominate to SCOTUS.
Wake the Hell UP!

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Respectfully, it sounds like someone needs to turn off the propaganda-as-news.
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Respectfully, it sounds like someone needs to turn off the propaganda-as-news.
If you are referring to my last post, then I invite you to read this. If it doesn't frighten and outrage you then you are one of those who have bought into the Liberal agenda.
http://americaslaststand.blogspot.co...ll-action.html
Rest assured that the Marxist Shrew from CA, one Nasty Pelosi, will do her utmost to see that this becomes a national requirement, right after she lies her way out of being caught denying she was unaware of waterboarding.
Propaganda? Well, the Libs are masters of the game. How about playing on outdated guilt over slavery to garner votes for their boy? Will they EVER admit that it was BLACKS who sold their own brethren to ARAB slave traders?
Have you ever asked a Canadian, Brit, or any other citizen of a nation that has imposed nationalized health care what THEY think of it?
I think we'd all be entertained by your reaction to the SCOTUS striking down Sotomayor's pandering decision in the Connecticut Seven's suit against out-of-control "affirmative" action. Care to comment on that?
Stew, if you were not referring to my post, then all is well. Either way, I'm open to truthful dialogue.

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Respectfully, it sounds like someone needs to turn off the propaganda-as-news.
Respectfully, it sounds like we have another Fox-basher in our midst. You didn't say "Fox", but I heard it anyway.
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If you are referring to my last post, then I invite you to read this. If it doesn't frighten and outrage you then you are one of those who have bought into the Liberal agenda.
http://americaslaststand.blogspot.co...ll-action.html
Rest assured that the Marxist Shrew from CA, one Nasty Pelosi, will do her utmost to see that this becomes a national requirement, right after she lies her way out of being caught denying she was unaware of waterboarding.
Propaganda? Well, the Libs are masters of the game. How about playing on outdated guilt over slavery to garner votes for their boy? Will they EVER admit that it was BLACKS who sold their own brethren to ARAB slave traders?
Have you ever asked a Canadian, Brit, or any other citizen of a nation that has imposed nationalized health care what THEY think of it?
I think we'd all be entertained by your reaction to the SCOTUS striking down Sotomayor's pandering decision in the Connecticut Seven's suit against out-of-control "affirmative" action. Care to comment on that?
Stew, if you were not referring to my post, then all is well. Either way, I'm open to truthful dialogue.

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well I've been observing this thread with some popcorn, staying out of it because I'm Canadian and don't belong. (BTW this thread delivers) But I have to chime in here because I'm a Canadian and have this imposed Health Care, and I have to say its probably one of the best things since sliced bread. Everyone gets the care they need, be it rich, poor, employed, or unemployed. Everyone is equal in regards to health care. So I'm not sure what you expected "us" Canadians to say about it? were you expecting me to bash it to support your Obama lambasting?

that is all.

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Herein lies the fundamental problem. People on the left of this issue want to argue about whether or not people are getting the health care they need. I don't care if they are getting the health care they need. Are they getting the health care they earned? This point of view doesn't make me a heartless person either...it makes me a patriotic American. This attitude has made America the greatest provider of health care the world has ever seen.

Our Constitution attempts to guarantee life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. These are things they can't take away from you, not things they must give you. Contrary to what the lefties will tell you, health care is not a life issue. The guarantee of life means the government can't kill you, not that they will keep you alive no matter what. Health care is a quality of life issue; i.e, happiness.

Just like any other commodity, if you want more of it, or any of it for that matter...you need to earn it. Doctors and other health care professionals have a right to a return on their investment just like any other career choice.

What do you do for a living? How would you like it if a bunch of other people decided they were entitled to the fruits of your labor, except they didn't like how much you were charging for it, so you have to lower your prices? This nonsense has got to stop.
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I work at a University here in Hamilton, running a chemistry store. Not sure if you would know it, but its called McMaster University.

Anyway, if I'm paying for someone who doesn't have a job or is homeless to get health care they need, so be it, I don't notice it in the taxes I pay. As long as I'm happy & healthy, its money well spent. Its also nice to think that if one day (god forbid) I'm unemployed or homeless, I will still get the health care I need, and maybe those unemployed or homeless people I helped pay for when I had a job, now have a job and are helping me pay for my care.

anyway as you can tell I'm on the left side of things, but am very open minded and see your point, just don't think that way myself, and don't think of you any less for the way you feel. (not that a think badly of you to begin with )

btw not looking for enemies here just want to join the discussion

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Northern, have you had to have any surgeries or do you have children? Canada's healthcare is a pain in the arse when you actually need it. One of my closest friends is from New Brunswick and it took them 3 months to get his gall bladder removed...and he's a neo-natal nurse..WTF! He had to fly to Toronto to get it done. He moved to the U.S. 7 years ago and works in our hospital system, his reasoning: "If I'm going to have children, there's no better healthcare than in the U.S."

Don't get me wrong free healthcare is a good idea, but at what potential risk to our own health. The cost is the true issue. The care here is by far the best in the world (see previous posts on places I've lived) My friend's gall bladder would have been done in about 48 hours here in the U.S. a simple quick procedure and out you go.
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btw not looking for enemies here just want to join the discussion

Don't mistake the bold text and blunt statements for anger, Northern. We all like a good healthy debate around here.

Be a leftie or rightie all you want. You'll still be welcomed. Just don't make unintelligible posts like some others have done.
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I agree with nofear, I am not out to make enemies I genuinely enjoy hearing every side to the story. I consider myself open minded and have been known to be persuaded on issues that I don't have a clear grasp on.

I hope that no one takes offense to any part of this discussion.
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I have had surgeries, but don't have children. I get that our system has flaws, but what system doesn't, right?

Listen, I'm not saying our Health care system is perfect and I'm not saying the the states health care system is below first class. I'm just saying that everyone is able to receive health care here in Canada, which isn't always the case in the states (no health insurance). But all in all are "Free" health care system here in Canada is pretty damn good for what it is, "free". (I use the term "free" pretty loosely, because it isn't free per say, it just feels that way)


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Northern, absoultely...come to Maine I'll take you fishing...However, on one point you are mistaken. If you do not have healthcare insurance in the states you will still get treated. I'm self employed and don't carry insurance although my fiancee is a chemotherapy nurse and I could get it. I workout, eat right and try to maintain a healthy lifestyle. I have been to the hospital twice in 9 years and it has been cheaper for us for me not to be put on her plan. The hospitals here atleast in Maine, not sure about other states will send you a bill, they never ask for insurance anymore. Once you get your bill you send it onto your healthcare insurer or like me you pay it... It's cost me 1500 bucks the past 9 years. Although now that I've turned 30 and we've bought our house and pinched our pennies I will probably switch over to her insurance just incase something of seriousness does happen.
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sorry, my mistake. I knew that too. lol I should have worded it differently.

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Respectfully, it sounds like someone needs to turn off the propaganda-as-news.
If you are referring to my last post, then I invite you to read this. If it doesn't frighten and outrage you then you are one of those who have bought into the Liberal agenda.
http://americaslaststand.blogspot.co...ll-action.html
Rest assured that the Marxist Shrew from CA, one Nasty Pelosi, will do her utmost to see that this becomes a national requirement, right after she lies her way out of being caught denying she was unaware of waterboarding.
Propaganda? Well, the Libs are masters of the game. How about playing on outdated guilt over slavery to garner votes for their boy? Will they EVER admit that it was BLACKS who sold their own brethren to ARAB slave traders?
Have you ever asked a Canadian, Brit, or any other citizen of a nation that has imposed nationalized health care what THEY think of it?
I think we'd all be entertained by your reaction to the SCOTUS striking down Sotomayor's pandering decision in the Connecticut Seven's suit against out-of-control "affirmative" action. Care to comment on that?
Stew, if you were not referring to my post, then all is well. Either way, I'm open to truthful dialogue.

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Herein lies the fundamental problem. People on the left of this issue want to argue about whether or not people are getting the health care they need. I don't care if they are getting the health care they need. Are they getting the health care they earned? This point of view doesn't make me a heartless person either...it makes me a patriotic American. This attitude has made America the greatest provider of health care the world has ever seen.

Wow, just wow.

America has some very culturally sick and undereducated populations segments.

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Stew, I am hardly uneducated. I have a Bachelor's Degree in Engineering from an ABET accredited University, as well as years in the Construction Industry doing Electrical design work and Code reviews.

I'm not quite sure what "culturally sick" means but I suspect I am not that either. If you meant un-worldly or insensitive to humanistic concepts, you're wrong again. I am an accomplished musician, very knowledgable about art, literature, history, politics...you name it...I'm a nerd. I'm also a deeply moral person who goes to bed every night having tried to be a little better person than when I woke up.

It's very politically correct and quite convenient of you to portray someone who doesn't want to pay for everyone else's problems as some sort of knuckle-dragging sub-moron, but it's simply not true. The truth of the matter is, I'm the kind of guy who would give you the shirt off of my back, but I'm not willing to establish a government-run "Shirt Donation Fund" run by 100 out of touch crooks who bought the votes it took to win their offices with my tax dollars.

Your ad hominem attacks against me were unprovoked and rather unwarranted. To imply that those who watch what you call "propaganda as news" are somehow mindlessly rolling down the bumper bowling alley towards a pre-determined position on the issues is ridiculous. I could make the same argument about the other side, and if I made it as bluntly, it would be just as ridiculous.
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I have to laugh at a lot of post. I don’t vote strait ticket, but! The MSM is liberal, but is owned most by one person, Murdock, far right. MSNBC is owned by Microsoft, Do you know who that is? ABC in the Bush Kerry debate, Were Bush had a bulge in his $5000. Suit, and something in his ear, Gibson thought it was funny, and laughed it off, never called Bush on it! We are talking MSM, not Huff. Post!
Most here are from the south, brain washed, with religion! Hate blacks, that’s why they hate Obama!
Did you see that the CIA lied to Congress since 2001, about torture (enhanced intelligence)! Bush’s daddy was head of the CIA, told son how to not tell congress what they are doing! There is more to 9/11 then we know, I’m sure Bush, and his regime did it to go to war with Iraq! With out it, it would never have went trough Congress! Read “Cheney’s team B”!
And read the bible? Adam gave a rib to Eve. Had 2 sons, Cain, and able. So HOW did they reproduce? Have sex with their mother? One son gave birth? I know, the devil (forgot the name), it said he had sex with Eve, (was she a *****)? and made kids? Still brothers, or sisters! So were they GAY, everything the FAR RIGHT is saying is wrong?
And I’ll look up the site ( or as one said, look it up yourself) about Ohio not letting the Democrats vote, Democrats waited in line for hours, and had all the voting machines for the republicans. Gave Bush 30,000 votes were only 300 lived in Democrat areas, The voting machines could not give you a recite made by Diebolt, but go to a ATM, and you have a recite! The Attorney General (republican) form Ohio said, I’ll make sure Bush wins in 2004! Voting machines that a monkey could hack!

I’ve been around longer then most here, I seen JFK killed, and I think that the republicans did it, but they think stupid, it put LBJ in! He was the first one to start sucking money out of Social Security to pay for the Nam. War!

You all make fun of me, I could care! I would have voted for McCain in 2000, but Bush won, so I voted Gore! Now, McCain went far right! He may have been worse then Bush!
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America has some very culturally sick and undereducated populations segments.
NO FEAR...the internet is an amazing thing..isn't it STEW?

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Now if I really wanted to be sick, (using your terms here stew) I would post your address along with your home phone perhaps?

I don't see how you can refer to someone's upbringing as sick, WTF! It's easy when it's anonymous over the internet, say it to my face and we'll have another type of discussion.
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Jason,

I understand the point you're trying to make here, but I don't think it's a good idea to post information about someone they didn't post themselves. I'm not sure there is anything out there that I wouldn't want anyone else to see, but if there was.....

I actually read Stew's blog, and while I disagree with some of his points, and the constant back-handed ad hominems, I'd at least he's going about his mission in the right way...his own personal soap box if you will.

One of these days, I'll start up "The NoFear Manifesto!" blog, so Stew can come flame my comments section.
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Since when has education equaled intelligence? I would argue that the most educated of individuals are often the most closed minded in their way of thought. Perhaps it is the need to develop a thesis that will be accepted. Perhaps it is the dire need to receive approval of one’s peers? I do not know, but I think it is important to understand the difference between the two.

Where did Cain get his wife? Perhaps one of the oldest arguments against the Old Testament. While there are many theories on this, I would suggest that you follow along in the same Old Testament that you are questioning. When was incest considered a sin? The answer is in Leviticus.

The argument that Obama is disliked simply because he is black is ludicrous. You are falling into a very close minded, stereotype enriched mentality.
I love a good debate, but my fellow left minded individuals. (Yes, I am more to the left than most on here) are not debating.
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