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Old 03-01-13, 07:25 AM   #1
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Default 'Crazy Alberto' knot

So someone at a show was talking about a 'Crazy Alberto Knot'.
So as usual I had to investigate.
Well I already knew the Alberto Knot (great knot) so here's what I found.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J56O3CZVu7M

So it's just the basic Albertro, right?
Some anglers just refer to it as a 'Crazy Alberto Knot' as opposed to just an Alberto Knot.
The inventer is 'crazy'?
I'm not seeing a difference.

Now the thing I DID LEARN was preping the Braid line.
Scrapping 12" between finger nails to remove the slippery surface off the braid.

This I'm going to use whenever I tie braid.
I realize on a Palmor knot it's probably a waste of time but it can't hurt, right?
But for those who use like a 'cinch knot' or other on Braid I think there is a true value in preping the Braid.
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Old 03-01-13, 08:54 AM   #2
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Yes...

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Old 03-01-13, 09:52 AM   #3
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Sounds crazy alright took years to train this ol fart to tie two different ones,knots that is,they work so why train again.
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Old 03-01-13, 01:28 PM   #4
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I've been using the alberto knot for a few seasons with good results. The only time I have problems is when tying light braid to light FC line. I'll just go with a double uni in that case.

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Old 03-01-13, 01:37 PM   #5
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Coatings on braid line allow for some slipping as the line tightens during use. Smaller diameter lines are more of a problem than larger diameter lines. Directions to tying an Alberto knot suggest clipping the tag ends as close to the knot as possible... bad idea when using slippery lines. I leave 1/2" of braided tag line to accommodate for the slight slipping... all is good.

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That's what the braid line prep was addressing.
Preping the braid allows for a tight snip.

Thats my intention anyway.
The knot wasn't new to me, just the 'crazy' part.
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Old 03-01-13, 02:46 PM   #7
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Thats my intention anyway.
The knot wasn't new to me, just the 'crazy' part.
I've never heard it called that either, but it is the regular Alberto knot. A more difficult to tie, but more reliable version of the Albright Special.

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Old 03-01-13, 03:25 PM   #8
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Joe... the line is still going to slip a little and if clipped against the knot will slip free and unwrap. There is no reason to clip a soft limp PE line that closely. The longer tag will not impede casting or retrieving.

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Old 03-01-13, 07:26 PM   #9
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Anybody try the Bob Sands knot? I like it better than the Alberto.
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Old 03-01-13, 10:09 PM   #10
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Not familiar with that one Brian.

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Old 03-02-13, 01:21 AM   #11
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I'm going to have to try that one. Thanks, Joe!
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Old 03-02-13, 02:52 PM   #12
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Here is the Bob Sands knot. It is similar to the Red Phillips knot.
The Red Phillips knot is tied with a double overhand knot instead of the uni knot.

http://www.noreast.com/discussion/vi...opic_ID=152880

I thought this was an interesting post on another forum.

http://www.allcoast.com/discussion/V...opic_ID=102245

In my limited knot testing ,just because something works ok, doesn't necessary mean you are using the optimal knot. All knots weaken the line and the line is the weakest link in catching fish. I like the lightest line that will work and if I am giving up 2 to 4 pounds at the knot then I have to use heavier line.

One last interesting article.

http://blog.wired2fish.com/blog/bid/...Finesse-Angler

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Old 03-02-13, 03:32 PM   #13
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Looks interesting!

I used to tie the Bimini Twist when I was saltwater fishing in Florida, great knot and very strong, don't like it much for bass fishing just because it's so big, but it is VERY strong, I've had some jack pull like he77 it against this knot and not have a budge.

Fun to tie, albeit a little hard!
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Old 03-02-13, 06:48 PM   #14
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Brian... Thanks for the links. I think the pros need to spend a little more time reading through these sites. Many of us "weekenders" have been praising light braid w/ fluoro leaders for several years... just sayin'.

I tied a Red Phillips knot with 10lb braid/ 8lb mono. I used a single over-hand knot in the mono and can't see an advantage using a double. It seems like a very good knot, but I don't see an advantage over a properly tied Alberto knot. The Alberto encapsulates the mono completely with the PE line, where as the Red Phillips exposes more mono line to abrasion... albeit the tag mono if tied so. I want to use it some this season and compare... my bet is both of these knots will work splendidly for my bass fishing purposes.

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Old 03-02-13, 07:48 PM   #15
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Okobo, I find the Red Phillips knot easier to tie but I want to do some more testing. I don't have or use a scale, I just tie the knots in the same line and pull to see which fails first.

I have learned that ,for me, the reverse improved clinch is the best for light braid and a double line Pitzen is best for fluorcarbon and mono. These two knots are best for strength and ease of tying.

This year I am planning on using more light braid with a leader.
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Old 03-04-13, 11:19 PM   #16
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Well, I tried it and am real happy with the results-easy to tie and I like better than the uni-to-uni I've been using. I definitely will be using it for tying mono to braid. Thanks again, Joe!
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Old 03-04-13, 11:45 PM   #17
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Reb your welcome.

I too was a uni to uni believer.
I'm lazy, so when I start my day I usually if tying fluoro leader, I'll start with like 5 ft of Fluoro.
Then instead of tying on leader I just clip off lure.
Switch and tie lure.
The Alberto seems to flow through the guides better.
Quieter anyway.

I think preping the braid like 'crazy' said will make it even better.
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After tying it several times I discovered that for me it works better to wrap with the braid instead of the mono/fluoro leader. Reminds me of the J-knot Flyrod was so fond of only much easier to tie.
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Old 03-11-13, 05:27 AM   #19
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Smile Now here's a knot I've never heard of

The Bob Foran Knot.

This is for tieing leaders to braid.
Seems pretty easy and strong.
Can't really find a turn by turn 'how to' video on it.
Fact is, only could find two videos period on it.
Can't find it on Knot Wars either.

So this Knot Head has been around for sometime now but yet almost nothing on the knot itself.
The guy is Pure Fishing's go too knot man, Berkley division I beleive.
This guy has some challenge out that pays if knot fails before the line.
Quess he's never lost.

So here's the knot.


http://www.worldfishingnetwork.com/v...ot-230297.aspx

So what do you anglers think of this knot.
I have not tried it on water but 'home tying' was pretty simple and easy.

I don't think I've ever been 'excited' to try a knot before.
But this one really has my attention.
Knot seems to be even smaller/smoother through the guides than Alberto's.

So you feeling Crazy is the way to go or being a Knot Head should work better for you.
Or maybe I should follow Bruce's suggestion and put it with the CORK.
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surgeon's knot with additional passes through loop?

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Old 03-11-13, 01:39 PM   #21
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Joedog, isn't that the Surgeons knot? I haven't tied it but it seems like it would be a little bulky for going through rod eyes?
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Old 03-11-13, 02:14 PM   #22
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Similar but NO.

http://www.netknots.com/fishing_knots/surgeons-knot/

You double the leader line on this one.
Probably the major difference I see but I'm NO knot guru.
But even if that's the only difference, it's still a better knot in my opinion.

Maybe some sorta of combo,
Surgeons Loop and Surgeon splice knot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG6sQiSC0so
But I'm not seeing it?

But most knots when improved usually keep original's name and ad 'improved' to the name.
Eg: improved cinch knot
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When tying a knot with PE lines, most every knot will be stronger (slip less) when tied with the PE line doubled.

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At the point of which the knot is stronger than the line, why continue looking for a stronger knot?

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When tying a knot with PE lines, most every knot will be stronger (slip less) when tied with the PE line doubled.

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At the point of which the knot is stronger than the line, why continue looking for a stronger knot?
You don't know if your using the best if you NEVER look at other knots.
Basically in my eyes, that goes for anything and everything.

Can't tell you how many times I asked someone the 'whys' and their only reason is.....I've always done it this way.
Never tried another way but yet their way is best.

Closed minds tend to lead a person on a track to ignorance.
Just my opinion.
Plus if you never try anything new, can you really be sure what your doing is the best way.....or just a convenient way.

I'll be looking to better myself and improve my abilities till the day I die.

Fact is, IF I get to meet Peter at the gates, I GOT A FEW WHYs FOR HIM TOO!
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I didn't use the word BEST... If you've achieved the goal why continue to look? Strength is a goal, so is ease of use, as can be size. There may be more than one solution to achieve the goal(s), but does it matter which one?

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