Just sayin

[Dogmatic]

"… The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.”-- President Obama, Roanoke Fire House#1. By the way Boogie, is that where you actually read the transcript, on the 13th, for the first time? Because when I read that transcript, I have a tough time finding something that is "Un-American"? You shed a tear for "America", but what is "America", if not a community...E pluribus Unum.

...and to descend to "I can't defend my arguments with complex thought, so I will use simplistic images"...

[bassboogieman]

I have a tough time finding something that is "Un-American"?

Are you trying to put words in my mouth? Or just twisting things around again, spinning it into meaningless drivel? I never mentioned "Un-American". I did say he offended every American business owner without regard to race, religion or creed in the speech of the 13th.

You shed a tear for "America"

ABSOLUTELY, the Country is in serious economic trouble. Our military is streched far too thin in places we should not be. We support Countries (Pakistan as an example) that protect terrorists. In the instance of Packistan they actually jailed the informer that led to the killing of Bin Ladin, yet we still don't cut them off. Our population is polarized by the current administration to extremes not seen since the late 1960's. Yes I shed a tear for America.

what is "America", if not a community

A community works together for the common good, not lives off one component. The current Administration is definitely of a Socialist leaning that does not promote community progress, but stagnation as it destroys motovation and initiative of the individual and as the individual falls so does the community. Americal was and should be a community but Obama's policies are turning the American Community into the American Slum.

so I will use simplistic images

Wow, kindergarten all over again. At least you didn't use stick figures.

[Dogmatic]

Socialist, Really? talk about simplistic! Was the Inter-State Highway system a socialist program? I didn't invent the inter-net, and it would not have been invented without DARPA, and the government, but my biz wouldn't exist without out it, so how did he insult business?

(By the way, how do you quote multiple times like that?)

[WTL]

[bassboogieman]

(By the way, how do you quote multiple times like that?)

As I strongly believe in Capitalism, for $5.00 I'll tell you.

Socialist, Really? talk about simplistic! Was the Inter-State Highway system a socialist program?

You're confused about Socialism. Your example was a work project for improvement to the Country's infrastructure, similiar to the WPA & TVA in that it put people to work (Socialism is not about putting people to work, it's more directed at dependancy) and the County benefited from the project (return on investment). Socialism does not look for a return on investment, more towards just a re-distribution of the wealth - regardless of what any individual may put in, everyone gets the same thing out, ie: it's all about "social programming", hence SOCIALism. In addition, the Interstate Highway System was multi-purposed. While it was somewhat visionary in enabling Americans to move across the country much quicker than driving local roads; improved interstate transportation of goods via the trucking industry; it also, as NFE mentioned, had a military purpose. In the design of the interstate system one requiement (it's said Eisenhower demanded it) was that every 10 miles (I'm not certain as I haven't researched the subject recently) or so there had to be a minimum one mile straightaway. That requirement was intended to be used as runways should our airbases and ariports be attacked/destroyed. Remember this occured during the "Cold War".

You seem to be saying that I am a troll

You may not be a troll, but you do troll - for smallies and brownies (that's fish people). You can't deny it either, I got pictures of your side planers and downriggers. And just so I understand, is Obama in your view a Sociopathic Socialist or a Socialist Sociopath? I think there is a difference, I'm still trying to figure out what it is.

[nofearengineer]

I'm sorry, but if I were to really say what Obama is, I would surely be banned from this website.

[Dogmatic]

Squawk! Funny how my very first post, two days prior to President Obama's speech in Roanoke, is essentially the same theme...there is a "Social Contract" that we all abide by, for the common good, but for some reason corporate America feels they don't have to abide by it, that they owe nothing to the community, or society within which they exist. SQUAWK! (At least I don't sound like Rush).

[kennethdaysale]

There's a difference between a social contract/common good and wealth redistribution. The next time there is a natural disaster I want you to look, and I mean really look at who's there helping and where the supplies and materials are coming from. Guess what? Big fat cat corporations that you love to hate are out there voluntarily. Working, sweating, bleeding, crying and praying for those people. Not to mention the ongoing "common good" missions in the communitys they serve. Franklin I really enjoy your fishing related posts and I have no doubt you enjoy fishing. But when it comes to this kind of thing you seem sad.

[Dogmatic]

Oh, you're a right! It was that incredible first responder, Walmart, that I saw the day after Katrina, and BP was right there willing and able to lend a hand after Deep Water Horizon...jeez, I thought it was, the Fire Department, Police Department, National Guard, the Red Cross, and FEMA...my bad.

[kennethdaysale]

Originally Posted by Dogmatic

Oh, you're a right! It was that incredible first responder, Walmart, that I saw the day after Katrina, and BP was right there willing and able to lend a hand after Deep Water Horizon...jeez, I thought it was, the Fire Department, Police Department, National Guard, the Red Cross, and FEMA...my bad.

Jeez
I have the utmost respect for the public services you mentioned. When the Fire Dept, Police and Guard are called into duty it is exactly that, a paid duty. The Red Cross is PRIVATE.....but FEMA fema ...really? BTW Wal Mart is and has been the largest corporate charitable donor for years.
2010 Giving: $319,454,996

[bassboogieman]

Dog, for cryin' out loud - charitable donations? WTF do think provides money for chairity? Please engage your brain before your fingers hit the keys. Do you think everyone receiving a government subsidy donates a portion to charity? Really? And I don't fault them for not doing so, they have other priorites. Virtually all charitalbe donations come from Corporate involvement, the "wealthy" and yes those strapped individuals fighting to remain in the middle. And I have to agree with Ken many first responders are paid employees of the municipality they serve - THAT IS NO WAY INTENDED TO DEMEAN THEM - and that's what they do, respond in emergencies. There are also a LOT of volunteers that work with them also and those people are dedicated (because they do it for FREE) to helping others. Really man, your knee jerk, off the wall responses do not seem to indicate much thought, only venom.

Did you send me my $5.00 yet?

[Dogmatic]

Originally Posted by bassboogieman

Dog, for cryin' out loud - charitable donations? WTF do think provides money for chairity? Please engage your brain before your fingers hit the keys. Do you think everyone receiving a government subsidy donates a portion to charity? Really? And I don't fault them for not doing so, they have other priorites. Virtually all charitalbe donations come from Corporate involvement, the "wealthy" and yes those strapped individuals fighting to remain in the middle. And I have to agree with Ken many first responders are paid employees of the municipality they serve - THAT IS NO WAY INTENDED TO DEMEAN THEM - and that's what they do, respond in emergencies. There are also a LOT of volunteers that work with them also and those people are dedicated (because they do it for FREE) to helping others. Really man, your knee jerk, off the wall responses do not seem to indicate much thought, only venom.

Did you send me my $5.00 yet?

????? What does this have to do with my statement on the previous page?????

...talk about typing before you read, think, or comprehend!

...and I feel left out, Doc is the only one to get nasty PM's?!

[bassboogieman]

Remember the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different outcome.

Y'know, looking over this thread and upon reflection I think there may be a few insane indivduals contributing...............................

[nofearengineer]

Originally Posted by bassboogieman

Y'know, looking over this thread and upon reflection I think there may be a few insane indivduals contributing...............................

HAHA, you are probably right. Arguing with these guys is utterly pointless...I'll just sit back and wait for November.

[doc]

Ya I know Joe, and I would never share anything or call out anyone by name. I also know I should stop feeding him, and I will. I'm sorry I've contributed to the ignorance in this thread, but you know some people just need to be called out every once in a while. So post your next Narcissistic comment that tries to show how smart you are Bryce and the floor will be all yours.
To the rest of the viewers I apologize for participating in the ignorance as long as I have.

[MO_CPA]

I had a whole paragraph written then I erased it...the only thing I could come up with is: *sigh*

[WTL]

Now that the warmups are over, can we have a REAL debate on politics? jk

It seems like people talk past each other most of the time. I've tried before to convince people that hear with their ears but don't listen and think about what is being said, and all it is good is for convincing yourself of the justness of your own arguments (which is not a bad reason to do it).

[bassboogieman]

I just wonder if you have any idea of how many PM's I have received stating basically that, etc

How many?

[nofearengineer]

Originally Posted by bassboogieman

How many?

What...are you sorry you didn't get a chance to PM him too?

[bassboogieman]

Maybe, my bad, but it was in response to:

"Social Contract" that we all abide by, for the common good, but for some reason corporate America feels they don't have to abide by it, that they owe nothing to the community, or society within which they exist.

I took the Corporate America owing nothing to the "community" or society" as meaning they give nothing back, which to me includes charitable contributions - the best way to give back - which supports the society and community in which they exist. If that was not what you meant, my bad. But I read it that way, hence the response as it was written.

Oh, I haven't gotten any PM's either. Has anyone gotten any about me? I don't think it's fair NFE is getting all the attention......................

[Dogmatic]

My bad, you were referring two post back, I thought you were referring to my post in response to Kenneth's "corporate first responder" post. But, tell me how much do you think it cost our community when Walmart "encouraged" Huffy to move their manufacturing to China?