New to the wonderful world of Fishing NEED HELP! Please

cridgway81 · 08-12-08, 01:58 AM

I used to fish alot as a kid but have not went out for about 10 years. My 4 yr. old got me back into it. It's been a Dad/Son time for me. By the way he caught his first bluegill the other day and begs me everyday to go fishing I love it. Anyway this might be long sorry lots of questions. Where I am located it is just small private ponds. I bought some spinnerbaits have some plastics, basiclly your begginer set up. I have no idea hot to do any rigging any help would be appreciated. Most the waters i fish are murky not even sure there's Bass in there. I can only do shoreline fishing most the places I go have no docks. Any Suggestions? I am going to try to get out tommorow while the wife and boy are at VBS I will try to take pics of the spot I fish the most that will help I am guessing. Again sorry for the long post there will be alot more to come. Thanks for anything.

cassidyta · 08-12-08, 02:33 AM

Cridgway,

First of all welcome back to the only hobby that will make you curse more than golf. Fishing with your son is awesome and something he will never forget.

As far as rigging, I am going to try and explain it to the best of my limited knowledge. (There are much better and smarter guys on here than me)
I will focus on the 4 most common rigs you will read about. I am going to leave out things like hook size, knots, and line because I believe those come into discussion when you are trying to perfect your catching rather than when you are starting out.
The 4 most common rigs you will read about when fishing plastics are Texas/T-rig, Carolina/C-Rig, Drop Shot/DS, and Weightless/Fly.
Each rig will have it's own uses, but each one can catch you fish.

Texas Rig. The weight, either sliding, or split shot is right up against your plastic. This will keep your bait on the bottom.

Carolina Rig. The weight is further up the line. Your weight is attached to the main line, then a barrel swivel is attached. You tie a leader to the swivel and then your hook. This puts yoru bait on the bottom, but it can rise and fall again the distance of yoru leader.

Drop Shot. The weight is on the bottom of your line and the hook is attached a foot or more above it. This keeps the weight a set distance from the bottom.

Weightless. No weight at all. It has a very slow decent, depending on your bait and rises back up quickly.

The smarter guys will be able to put pictures in with these posts, but it is not working for me. You can google each of these and even find youtube videos that show you exactly how to tie them.

BTW, I am adding an update because I submitted the post then realized that the pics you will need are directly above this part of the forum.
Have fun with your son.

BigBassin144 · 08-12-08, 08:22 AM

First off, welcome to the Nut-House. Its great you're fishing with your son. As for bass being in that water, I'm almost 100% positive there will be. You'll just have to adjust you're presentation to murky/muddy water.

http://www.bassfishin.com/bassfishin...ad.php?t=11719

Soft plastics were hard for me to learn to fish with. My advice: fish them slow! Of all the different plastics out there, the 6-7.5" curly tail worm remains my favorite (and most productive). T-rig as shown in link above with no more weight than you need.

C-rig, I can do it, but I'm not very good, so I won't be any help here.

Dropshot, as cassidyta said, is another good one, and very easy to fish. I won't go into much detail because, if you've noticed, there is a search button whihc will lead to more dropshot info than you could ever use.

As for the murky water you mentioned, spinnerbaits are my favorite, but it has to be the right one. my personal favorites are BOOYAH, but brand doesn't matter that much. You'll need a spinnerbait with one or two colorado blades. some people will tell you to use black skirt, other will tell you go with something bright. I honestly don't thing it matters in muddy water. Our best producer on Lake "Mudson"(around 6-8" vis, about 1f on a good day) has been a chartreuse/white spinnerbait with double colorado blades.

If there are little to no weeds in the pond, crankbaits are your friends. in Mursky water, get somewith with a wide wobble, or a rattle trap type bait. Mann's baby 1- is a great shallow water bait, especially in murky water.

Hope this helps.

BB

cridgway81 · 08-12-08, 04:26 PM

I will try some of those things. I did find a page about rigging plastic/rubber worms. This is the web page I found I hope this is good info if you guys could tell me http://www.insideline.net/articles/rigging-guide.html I don't have any worms but, i will be getting some. I might have underexagerated The murkiness of the water it is 2-3 inches vis. I can't see my spinnerbait until the r at the top is at the waters top edge. It's a private pond I know there's fish in it I have caught one bluegill thats it a few bites aside from that on just beemoth. Now the other place I fish is about 16 inches vis. will the same rig work or should i just try differant things. I bought 3 spinnerbaits the other day one is red/black booyah with red blade and black blade, pond magic 3/16 oz. The other two are Strike King one is white t-shad 3/8 oz. the other is mini-king 1/8 it is a bright yellow. I am not a man of means by any means so every bit of my money I like to make it count. Thanks for the info cassidyta and Big I will try some stuff out and hope it works.

bamabassman · 08-12-08, 06:50 PM

welcome to the rest of us bait monkey fodder pal. listen to bb144, i have had the PLEASURE of having him and his dad, kingfish, fish outa my boat down here. you can learn alot from them 2. ol kingfish taught me how to change colors....FAST.lol. and bb144 and dat mississippiboy taught me to learn to use BRAIDED line in gator vines, lmao.

MississippiBoy · 08-12-08, 10:53 PM

Don't pay any attention to Bama...he's just mad I out-fished him this summer.

If the water is really murky like you say, bass are going to depend much more on scent and vibration to lead them to prey, rather than sight. So, we want to make noise, and/or put out scent. With plastics, try the Carolina rig that Cassidy mentioned. Use a fairly heavy weight, 1/2 ounce or so, and try adding a glass bead ahead of the weight and behind it. Lots of clacking/clicking/clanking will attract attention. When you feel a strike, which may just be a "spongy" feeling as the bass just picks it up off the bottom, set the hook HARD. Cross their eyes with it. You'll see pros reel down to take up slack when they feel the strike, and hit it hard as they take a step back. Heavier line, say 17-20#, is recommended.

For a spinnerbait, throw something dark (black should be dark enough)

with a single big Colorado blade. That's the more rounded, wider blade. Willow leaf blades are shaped more like a.....hmmmm, what was it? Oh yeah......a willow leaf, long and skinny. The Colorado will put out more vibration, which you can easily feel through the rod as you retrieve. If the vibration stops, SET THE HOOK. Hook sets are free. Vary the speed of the retrieve, also. Sometimes the fish might want it very slow, barely keeping the blade turning right at the bottom, sometimes they might want it fast on the surface making a wake. Let them tell you what they want.

Good luck to you. Be ready to spend way more money than you should on lures, line, rods, reels, boats, trucks, out-of-state fishing trips, etc, etc, etc. Welcome to the never-ending quest for the mighty largemouth bass, a fish with a brain smaller than the eraser on a pencil.

Makes you feel kinda foolish when I say it that way, don't it?

BigBassin144 · 08-12-08, 11:29 PM

they're still smarter than most of the people I know.

BB

cassidyta · 08-12-08, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBassin144

they're still smarter than most of the people I know.

BB

I take offense to that

cassidyta · 08-13-08, 02:57 AM

Back on topic for a moment....
You might also consider adding some worm rattles in the real murky water. They are small, plastic or glass tubes that look like small pills. they are filled with a couple of bb's and make noise inside of your bait.

cridgway81 · 08-13-08, 05:12 AM

Thanks Mississippi Lots of stuff for me to try when I get out today but first to get some plastics. I see What Big meant by welcome to the nut house. By the way thanks for killing my confidence with the whole pencil eraser comment lol. That will help me after a month of not catching bass feel like a complete tool! I like this site though nice people even though you all are crazy.

Jim80 · 08-13-08, 08:56 AM

Hey man welcome aboard lots of great guys around this site that are more than willing to help . The darker colored spinner should work great in that kind of water just play with your retrieve speeds , slow roll a few casts then rip a couple right under the surface .

BigBassin144 · 08-13-08, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cridgway81

Thanks Mississippi Lots of stuff for me to try when I get out today but first to get some plastics. I see What Big meant by welcome to the nut house. By the way thanks for killing my confidence with the whole pencil eraser comment lol. That will help me after a month of not catching bass feel like a complete tool! I like this site though nice people even though you all are crazy.

Don't worry, we're crazier than we first appear.

ya, you cna just yell at MB when you don't catch fish. blame it all on him, and not the lures you're using. Then you don't have to go out and buy more (which you will whether you "need" to or not.)

I don't know if there's any logic, or sense for that matter, in my last statement, but if someone figures out what I mean, please inform me.

thanks.

BB

BigBassin144 · 08-13-08, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cassidyta

I take offense to that

no offense intended. When I said most people, I was refering to the people who don't spend their time chasing the eraser-brained fish which eludes me...er... I mean us.

BB

bamabassman · 08-13-08, 05:04 PM

we are ALL crazy mannnn. and yes mb DID outfish me, lmao. so did everyone at the get together, hahahaha. but i telling ya dude, this is the best site i have ever been on. lots of great folks here. so we will help ya in any way possible.

MississippiBoy · 08-13-08, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBassin144

ya, you cna just yell at MB when you don't catch fish. blame it all on him, and not the lures you're using. Then you don't have to go out and buy more (which you will whether you "need" to or not.)

BB

Sure, shoot the messenger.

bamabassman · 08-13-08, 06:53 PM

hahahahaha bb144, i hear ya there pal.

BigBassin144 · 08-13-08, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MississippiBoy

Sure, shoot the messenger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmOH5f1J1Uc

BB

cassidyta · 08-14-08, 12:14 AM

Thanks alot BB. I was going to read a few posts and drink a beer, but now I am going to look through the DVD's to watch that darn movie AGAIN

MississippiBoy · 08-14-08, 06:52 PM

Ok, fine. Don't shoot the messenger, kick his a$$ down a bottomless pit. Whatever floats your boat.

I'm liking this one, though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfLHhO-bCFE

bamabassman · 08-14-08, 07:57 PM

thanks alot gang...just spent an hour watching dang ol movie clips, lmao.

08-12-08, 01:58 AM	#1
cridgway81 BassFishin.Com Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Dunkirk, Indiana Posts: 3	New to the wonderful world of Fishing NEED HELP! Please I used to fish alot as a kid but have not went out for about 10 years. My 4 yr. old got me back into it. It's been a Dad/Son time for me. By the way he caught his first bluegill the other day and begs me everyday to go fishing I love it. Anyway this might be long sorry lots of questions. Where I am located it is just small private ponds. I bought some spinnerbaits have some plastics, basiclly your begginer set up. I have no idea hot to do any rigging any help would be appreciated. Most the waters i fish are murky not even sure there's Bass in there. I can only do shoreline fishing most the places I go have no docks. Any Suggestions? I am going to try to get out tommorow while the wife and boy are at VBS I will try to take pics of the spot I fish the most that will help I am guessing. Again sorry for the long post there will be alot more to come. Thanks for anything.

08-12-08, 02:33 AM	#2
cassidyta BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,928	Cridgway, First of all welcome back to the only hobby that will make you curse more than golf. Fishing with your son is awesome and something he will never forget. As far as rigging, I am going to try and explain it to the best of my limited knowledge. (There are much better and smarter guys on here than me) I will focus on the 4 most common rigs you will read about. I am going to leave out things like hook size, knots, and line because I believe those come into discussion when you are trying to perfect your catching rather than when you are starting out. The 4 most common rigs you will read about when fishing plastics are Texas/T-rig, Carolina/C-Rig, Drop Shot/DS, and Weightless/Fly. Each rig will have it's own uses, but each one can catch you fish. Texas Rig. The weight, either sliding, or split shot is right up against your plastic. This will keep your bait on the bottom. Carolina Rig. The weight is further up the line. Your weight is attached to the main line, then a barrel swivel is attached. You tie a leader to the swivel and then your hook. This puts yoru bait on the bottom, but it can rise and fall again the distance of yoru leader. Drop Shot. The weight is on the bottom of your line and the hook is attached a foot or more above it. This keeps the weight a set distance from the bottom. Weightless. No weight at all. It has a very slow decent, depending on your bait and rises back up quickly. The smarter guys will be able to put pictures in with these posts, but it is not working for me. You can google each of these and even find youtube videos that show you exactly how to tie them. BTW, I am adding an update because I submitted the post then realized that the pics you will need are directly above this part of the forum. Have fun with your son. __________________ If you have ever wondered if you should retie, the answer is yes. Last edited by cassidyta; 08-12-08 at 02:39 AM. Reason: update

08-12-08, 08:22 AM	#3
BigBassin144 BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 9,463	First off, welcome to the Nut-House. Its great you're fishing with your son. As for bass being in that water, I'm almost 100% positive there will be. You'll just have to adjust you're presentation to murky/muddy water. http://www.bassfishin.com/bassfishin...ad.php?t=11719 Soft plastics were hard for me to learn to fish with. My advice: fish them slow! Of all the different plastics out there, the 6-7.5" curly tail worm remains my favorite (and most productive). T-rig as shown in link above with no more weight than you need. C-rig, I can do it, but I'm not very good, so I won't be any help here. Dropshot, as cassidyta said, is another good one, and very easy to fish. I won't go into much detail because, if you've noticed, there is a search button whihc will lead to more dropshot info than you could ever use. As for the murky water you mentioned, spinnerbaits are my favorite, but it has to be the right one. my personal favorites are BOOYAH, but brand doesn't matter that much. You'll need a spinnerbait with one or two colorado blades. some people will tell you to use black skirt, other will tell you go with something bright. I honestly don't thing it matters in muddy water. Our best producer on Lake "Mudson"(around 6-8" vis, about 1f on a good day) has been a chartreuse/white spinnerbait with double colorado blades. If there are little to no weeds in the pond, crankbaits are your friends. in Mursky water, get somewith with a wide wobble, or a rattle trap type bait. Mann's baby 1- is a great shallow water bait, especially in murky water. Hope this helps. BB __________________ As of June 14, 2014 the members of the BF.com forum have moved to basschat.yuku.com!

08-12-08, 11:29 PM	#7
BigBassin144 BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 9,463	they're still smarter than most of the people I know. BB __________________ As of June 14, 2014 the members of the BF.com forum have moved to basschat.yuku.com!

08-13-08, 02:57 AM	#9
cassidyta BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,928	Back on topic for a moment.... You might also consider adding some worm rattles in the real murky water. They are small, plastic or glass tubes that look like small pills. they are filled with a couple of bb's and make noise inside of your bait. __________________ If you have ever wondered if you should retie, the answer is yes.

08-12-08, 04:26 PM	#4
cridgway81 BassFishin.Com Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Dunkirk, Indiana Posts: 3	I will try some of those things. I did find a page about rigging plastic/rubber worms. This is the web page I found I hope this is good info if you guys could tell me http://www.insideline.net/articles/rigging-guide.html I don't have any worms but, i will be getting some. I might have underexagerated The murkiness of the water it is 2-3 inches vis. I can't see my spinnerbait until the r at the top is at the waters top edge. It's a private pond I know there's fish in it I have caught one bluegill thats it a few bites aside from that on just beemoth. Now the other place I fish is about 16 inches vis. will the same rig work or should i just try differant things. I bought 3 spinnerbaits the other day one is red/black booyah with red blade and black blade, pond magic 3/16 oz. The other two are Strike King one is white t-shad 3/8 oz. the other is mini-king 1/8 it is a bright yellow. I am not a man of means by any means so every bit of my money I like to make it count. Thanks for the info cassidyta and Big I will try some stuff out and hope it works.

08-12-08, 06:50 PM	#5
bamabassman BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: cedar bluff, alabama Posts: 15,292	welcome to the rest of us bait monkey fodder pal. listen to bb144, i have had the PLEASURE of having him and his dad, kingfish, fish outa my boat down here. you can learn alot from them 2. ol kingfish taught me how to change colors....FAST.lol. and bb144 and dat mississippiboy taught me to learn to use BRAIDED line in gator vines, lmao.

08-12-08, 10:53 PM	#6
MississippiBoy BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ridgeland MS Posts: 3,923	Don't pay any attention to Bama...he's just mad I out-fished him this summer. If the water is really murky like you say, bass are going to depend much more on scent and vibration to lead them to prey, rather than sight. So, we want to make noise, and/or put out scent. With plastics, try the Carolina rig that Cassidy mentioned. Use a fairly heavy weight, 1/2 ounce or so, and try adding a glass bead ahead of the weight and behind it. Lots of clacking/clicking/clanking will attract attention. When you feel a strike, which may just be a "spongy" feeling as the bass just picks it up off the bottom, set the hook HARD. Cross their eyes with it. You'll see pros reel down to take up slack when they feel the strike, and hit it hard as they take a step back. Heavier line, say 17-20#, is recommended. For a spinnerbait, throw something dark (black should be dark enough) with a single big Colorado blade. That's the more rounded, wider blade. Willow leaf blades are shaped more like a.....hmmmm, what was it? Oh yeah......a willow leaf, long and skinny. The Colorado will put out more vibration, which you can easily feel through the rod as you retrieve. If the vibration stops, SET THE HOOK. Hook sets are free. Vary the speed of the retrieve, also. Sometimes the fish might want it very slow, barely keeping the blade turning right at the bottom, sometimes they might want it fast on the surface making a wake. Let them tell you what they want. Good luck to you. Be ready to spend way more money than you should on lures, line, rods, reels, boats, trucks, out-of-state fishing trips, etc, etc, etc. Welcome to the never-ending quest for the mighty largemouth bass, a fish with a brain smaller than the eraser on a pencil. Makes you feel kinda foolish when I say it that way, don't it?

08-13-08, 05:12 AM	#10
cridgway81 BassFishin.Com Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Dunkirk, Indiana Posts: 3	Thanks Mississippi Lots of stuff for me to try when I get out today but first to get some plastics. I see What Big meant by welcome to the nut house. By the way thanks for killing my confidence with the whole pencil eraser comment lol. That will help me after a month of not catching bass feel like a complete tool! I like this site though nice people even though you all are crazy.

08-13-08, 08:56 AM	#11
Jim80 BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Thomaston CT Posts: 3,862	Hey man welcome aboard lots of great guys around this site that are more than willing to help . The darker colored spinner should work great in that kind of water just play with your retrieve speeds , slow roll a few casts then rip a couple right under the surface . __________________ In memory of Zooker 1/11/73-7/2/2010. You will be sorely missed and never forgotten.

08-13-08, 05:04 PM	#14
bamabassman BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: cedar bluff, alabama Posts: 15,292	we are ALL crazy mannnn. and yes mb DID outfish me, lmao. so did everyone at the get together, hahahaha. but i telling ya dude, this is the best site i have ever been on. lots of great folks here. so we will help ya in any way possible.

08-13-08, 06:53 PM	#16
bamabassman BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: cedar bluff, alabama Posts: 15,292	hahahahaha bb144, i hear ya there pal.

08-14-08, 12:14 AM	#18
cassidyta BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,928	Thanks alot BB. I was going to read a few posts and drink a beer, but now I am going to look through the DVD's to watch that darn movie AGAIN __________________ If you have ever wondered if you should retie, the answer is yes.

08-14-08, 06:52 PM	#19
MississippiBoy BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ridgeland MS Posts: 3,923	Ok, fine. Don't shoot the messenger, kick his a$$ down a bottomless pit. Whatever floats your boat. I'm liking this one, though... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfLHhO-bCFE

08-14-08, 07:57 PM	#20
bamabassman BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: cedar bluff, alabama Posts: 15,292	thanks alot gang...just spent an hour watching dang ol movie clips, lmao.

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