$555 Billion spending bill for Iraq.

[Denny_K]

This is BS!!!!! Yes this is our president.This country is already going to hell in a hand basket.Someone has to stop him...someone, anyone and I don't care how you do it. Denny

[WTL]

The most important thing for freedom that we in this country should do is to repeal the income tax.

We have made it too easy for politicians to find money to spend. We need to turn off the spigot, then we wont have to worry about all these expenses popping up out of nowwhere. The government is like a vain woman with a credit card. The more money you give her, the more crap she finds to buy that she doesnt really need.

So, cut up the credit card.

[Marty]

Originally Posted by WTL

The most important thing for freedom that we in this country should do is to repeal the income tax.

What do you suggest as an alternative?

[ROBZILLA]

I can't wait to see your next PREZ, you guys are in for the worst few years ever! good luck with that. And were not letting any more of you MERICAN's into our country. I say in five years time an Mexican will be running your country, so get ready for it boys.

[Christopherkeene9]

Originally Posted by ROBZILLA

I can't wait to see your next PREZ, you guys are in for the worst few years ever! good luck with that. And were not letting any more of you MERICAN's into our country. I say in five years time an Mexican will be running your country, so get ready for it boys.

Can't be a true mexican though, gotta be American born, maybe Mexican blood though.

I also think the income tax should be gotten rid of, I like the pros and cons of the Fair Tax even at the age of 17.

[keithdog]

I don't know who to vote for this next election. But I do believe that if we go democrat, your going to see all the tax beaks for the middle class repealed, the capital gains tax cuts repealed, the, the unfair marriage tax penaties reinstated, all the child tax cuts repealed, a large increase in federal income taxes, higher interrest rates, greater spending, and higher unemployment. I really wish one of the parties could offer a candidate that we could really feel good about voting for, rather than the lesser of two evils.

[WTL]

Marty, the alternative is to cut spending. The difference can then be made up by a national sales tax.

The people who want you to believe there is no alternative are the ones who prosper financially because of the income tax.

[Marty]

Originally Posted by WTL

Marty, the alternative is to cut spending. The difference can then be made up by a national sales tax.

The people who want you to believe there is no alternative are the ones who prosper financially because of the income tax.

OK, I don't know if a national sales tax is worse or better than an income tax, but I was just curious as to how you recommended the government be funded.

[ESipes_89]

Most people in this thread need to do some real research on all the candidates. If you do you will know exactly who to vote for. BTW, Dr. Paul is a joke and should never be taken seriously. First probem is that he wants to pull all of the troops out of Iraq immediatly. No matter what your opinion on the war is, you need to accept the fact that we're there and we need to finish the job. He has stated things that made my jaw drop and you need to look him up and take a real good look at his polocies.

On the real topic of the thread, I think your wrong. Although that sounds like a lot of money, it is what the military needs to finish the job. Not just in Iraq but on the entire war on terror. What needs to really be cut is "pork" spending. There are too many earmarks on important bills that should not be there. Because the Dems have the house and senate, this particular bill has probably been doubled from it's original value so that it could be passed.

Oh, Denny, Show some respect. He's your president whether you like it or not.

I would go on but it would take me days to type all the thing I have to say so...

The End (for now),
-Eric

[WTL]

Esipes, Dr.Paul is the most serious guy out there. He is the only candidate who is saying what he actually believes.

I watched all the statements today from the prospective candidates, and I swear I could see with each sentence each one was trying to decide what to say to appeal to the most voters. Watching McCain repeat over and over again that "I knew Bhutto" while trying to apper presidential was laughable. The political process today is like watching a scripted reality TV show.

The truth of the matter is we can leave Iraq any time we want, just like we could leave Vietnam. Just put the troops on a plane and leave. That can be done.

I almost agree with Ron Paul on every one of his crazy policies. So do a lot of Americans. Imean eliminate the IRS, go back to the gold standard, end the war on drugs, eliminate all the unconstitutional government that plagues us - all that can only elicit one response from me....phuk yeah!

By the way, I used to show the current president respect, but he is what he is. A monkey who has held the GOP hostage against its will and core values. Dr. Ron Paul is the only real conservative running this year.

[Lilmoosecountry]

Originally Posted by ESipes_89

Most people in this thread need to do some real research on all the candidates. If you do you will know exactly who to vote for. BTW, Dr. Paul is a joke and should never be taken seriously. First probem is that he wants to pull all of the troops out of Iraq immediatly. No matter what your opinion on the war is, you need to accept the fact that we're there and we need to finish the job. He has stated things that made my jaw drop and you need to look him up and take a real good look at his polocies.

On the real topic of the thread, I think your wrong. Although that sounds like a lot of money, it is what the military needs to finish the job. Not just in Iraq but on the entire war on terror. What needs to really be cut is "pork" spending. There are too many earmarks on important bills that should not be there. Because the Dems have the house and senate, this particular bill has probably been doubled from it's original value so that it could be passed.

Oh, Denny, Show some respect. He's your president whether you like it or not.

I would go on but it would take me days to type all the thing I have to say so...

The End (for now),
-Eric

I do disagree with you alot sir. One i have done research. Two it's our nations policy's of trying to police this world that got us in trouble in thie first place. Third sir when you go to war it's our duty in war to accomplish an Objective. once that objective is accomplished we leave. In this case Saddam Hussien is out of power. Time to go. Let them build there own country back up. War is war not nation building. We can't build schools in this country or afford books for our own kids. Yet we have money to do this in IRAQ. We tore up that country now we want to clean it up (BULL)!!! Fourth its the republican party that's been high jacked. It was the republican party that ran durring vietnam to end war. It was the republican party who said this nation is loosing it's constitution. It was the republican party who said that goverment should be smaller & less infearence in peoples lives. Well Guess what only one person running today supports the republicans parties orignal promises to it's country. His promises are real. Take a look at his voting record.

[Lilmoosecountry]

Ron Paul may not win. But what this country needs is some one who thinks like him.

[WTL]

I'm supporting Dr. Paul.

What he is going to end up being is the Barry Goldwater of this generation. In '64, LBJ destroyed Goldwater in the general election but Goldwater laid the foundation for the next revolution in the GOP, even going so far as to give Ronald Reagan his first major political exposure in that speech he gave at the GOP convention.

What it will take for those ideas expoused by Dr. Paul to win the day is another smooth guy behind them. Ron Paul is too old and nerdy looking. Get a guy who looks and sounds like Mitt Romeny but believes in what Ron Paul believes in and you will see it carry the GOP.

[Lilmoosecountry]

Your right. It's a dam shame the country has go to hell in a hand basket. just because people are so superficial

[Bender]

I also agree with Ron Paul on almost everything that I have researched so far. IMHO Iraq should become a glass parking lot; or we should just leave which is more feasible. It seems to me that all his policies are for reducing gov't in general, which has too much control and money already.
He also appears to have strong grassroots support, I see signs all over the place.

[WTL]

You hypocrite, stop saying you are smarter and more mature than other people on this board in one paragraph while bemoaning personal attacks in another.

Be a man, Eric. Cause right now you are acting like another dumb politician, saying one thing and doing another.

[ESipes_89]

How in the hell is that hypocritical? It was a truthful and honest reply to his attack on me. I will never condone personal attacks on anyone (including you). If anyone on this board, in my everyday life, or even a total stranger on the street start getting cut down, I'll stick up for 'em.

-Eric

PS, Rob, I agree totally. This is gettin' way out of line.

[ROBZILLA]

And That My Friends Is Why You Don't Talk Politics And Religion On The Boards, They Get Too Heated Up. And People Say Things They Would Usually Not Say Other Wise. Lets All Remain Friends Shall We? I Think Kevin Should Close This Post.

[WTL]

BTW, George W Bush is still a dumb monkey who has no right to my respect unless he can earn it. He is president, not king. In this country we have the right to believe what we want. We can say what we want as well. George W Bush has destroyed his party and has had a disasterous Presidency. In the very near future he will be remembered alongside Presidents like LBJ and Jimmy Carter.

It is hypocritical because you started off by reminding us why you were smarter than the poster in question as well as more mature. That is what it is; an insult. Hypocrite.

PS, you inability to grasp this concept seriously calls into question your supposed advantage in intelligence.

[ESipes_89]

WTL,

Grasp this, I am making a point that you make yourself look like an idiot by saying these "foot in mouth" statements. Now it looks as though you are doing the exact same thing, which is completely uncalled for and completely out of line.

With that, I bid you adue.
I'm through with this thread due to the fact it's become a flame war and should be immediately closed. I've made my point and if you can't understand it, match and game.

-Eric

[WTL]

Look kid, you are out of your league here. Take your ball and go home.

[ESipes_89]

LOL, . Read it again.

Goodbye,
-Eric

[WTL]

Quod erat demonstrandum, indeed.

This thread need not be closed. The open discussion of ideas is the best way to combat ignorance. I take the position of Madison in Federalist 10 on matters like this.

And Of course the veteran members of this board know that if you want to talk politics or football, you gotta go through me. Thats just how it is.

[ESipes_89]

Ok, so I fudged a little bit on the going away part. It looks as though information in this post was false. Get a load of this.

From your favorite liberal news network MSNBC (and the other networks agree)
CRAWFORD, Texas - President Bush on Friday used a "pocket veto" to reject a sweeping defense bill because he dislikes a provision that would expose the Iraqi government to expensive lawsuits seeking damages from the Saddam Hussein era.
In a statement, Bush said the legislation "would imperil billions of dollars of Iraqi assets at a crucial juncture in that nation's reconstruction efforts."
The president's objections were focused on a provision deep within legislation that sets defense policy for the coming year and approves $696 billion in spending, including $189 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Also in the legislation were improved veterans benefits and tighter oversight of contractors and weapons programs.
The pocket veto means that troops will get a 3 percent raise Jan. 1 instead of the 3.5 percent authorized by the bill.
Bush's decision to use a pocket veto, announced while vacationing at his Texas ranch, means the legislation will die at midnight Dec. 31. This tactic for killing a bill can be used only when Congress is not in session.

So It looks as though only $189 billion would go to the war effort and not just in Iraq. Hmm, pork spending, misinformation for personal gain, what do ya think? (since you know everything about polotics and what's right for me)

-Eric

[WTL]

"Chaerephon asked the oracle at Delphi if anyone was wiser than Socrates; the Oracle responded that none was wiser. Socrates believed that what the Oracle had said was a riddle, because he believed that he possessed no wisdom whatsoever. He proceeded to test the riddle through approaching men who were considered to be wise by the people of Athens such as statesmen, poets, and artisans in order to refute the pronouncement of the Oracle. Questioning them, Socrates came to the conclusion that while each man thought he knew a great deal and was very wise, they in fact knew very little and were not really wise at all. Socrates realized that the Oracle was correct in that while so-called wise men thought they wise and yet were not, he himself knew he was not wise at all which, paradoxically, made him the wiser one since he was the only person aware of his own ignorance."

If I know anything, its because I realize how little I and other men know. For that reason, I believe in limited government. The less idiots we have running the show the better, although I do like the political power to be split up in many different ways to help prevent despotism. As for your assertions on the spending bill one way or another, I havent really made any assertions at all. Thats not my discussion here. As for me knowing anything at all in the field of politics, all I can tell you is that I was once like you, a teenage political whiz on the message boards; I then went to college and got a B.A. in Political Science. I'm not sure that qualifies me to say anything any more forcefully than a layman, but I feel after 8 years of college it was worth mentioning.