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Old 05-24-12, 01:50 PM   #1
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im gonna go out tonight and try some off shore fishing, ive got 4 spots in mind that i was told about last night. a few ledges and a creek channel that comes thru our small lake. ive never fished deep so ive got some questions. when im fishing the ledge do i throw up to the shallow and drag it down to the deep water? ill probably b using a jig. also what the heck do i do with the creek channel? use it as 2 ledges/drop offs or throw towards the middle of it? i have a cheap depth finder that will locate where it drops off so i should b able to find them. any help is appreciated
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Old 05-24-12, 06:09 PM   #2
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I've been fishing a lot swimbaits lately so I like to fish "uphill", anchoring in the shallows and casting deep. When I jig fish(and I am not an expert jig fisherman) I don't anchor, I fish downhill, staying in deep water, and casting shallow, letting the jig tumble down the ledges. As for creek channels, I usually follow them until they run into some other sort of structure, rather then waste my time fishing the entire length. What do they say...fish flats, ledges, points, channels, and humps, and especially where two or more of those things run into eachother?
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I have to agree with Dogmatic on the jig presentation. Shallow to deep is how I would work my jig. I also agree with his comments regarding fishing structure. A creek channel is like any other type of structure. It needs something different to hold numbers of fish, like a bend near a shallow flat, or winding into flooded timber, or a rock pile or old bridge pilings. Things like that. And I would also definately be throwing a deep diving crankbait along with the jig!
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Old 05-24-12, 09:32 PM   #4
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When I fish ledges I try to drag the jig parallel to the ledge. Try to figure out if the fish are on top of the ledge or on the bottom of the ledge, then fish parallel to the ledge while keeping your jig on this part. This will keep your bait in the strike zone much longer.
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Old 05-25-12, 06:12 PM   #5
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i drug a jig from shallow to deep for a few hours last night. gave me a good idea of how this stuff works. had a couple nice bites but was more interested in figuring out how to fish deep than i was actually fishing deep haha. gonna keep at it and looking forward to gettin better
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I have always preferred to fish away from banks. In the 80s and 90s I spent a lot of time hunting those places; humps, second drop-offs, deep holes/ledges. I found that some times they wanted the bait from the side, sometimes shallow to deep, and then deep to shallow. I was usually using a carolina rig or a deep divimg Risto Rap (I think thats what it was called), I just kept moving around till I found the right combination. I hope you are using bouy markers, it makes it a lot easier to visualize the structure. Good luck, there are a lot of fish out away from the banks!!
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Old 05-27-12, 04:06 PM   #7
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my problem is i have a hard time just guessing where to cast.. shallow i cast at cover. casting at a "hill" under the water is hard for me to get used to lol. gonna go out and try it again tonight
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as far as presentation fishing deep, it is not any different than fishing shallow. try all angle, and uphill and downhill. the only difference in fishing deep, is that it just take longer to get to the bottom. also, do not be afraid to fish with enough weight. when it is windy, you will have to use more weight, because of wind drag on your line. wind drag affects your fall rate.

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as far as presentation fishing deep, it is not any different than fishing shallow. try all angle, and uphill and downhill. the only difference in fishing deep, is that it just take longer to get to the bottom. also, do not be afraid to fish with enough weight. when it is windy, you will have to use more weight, because of wind drag on your line. wind drag affects your fall rate.

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yeah i noticed that the other day i was using a 3/8 jig and as soon as it hit the water i would dip the tip of the rod in the water and keep the tip low so it wouldnt blow away. will get some heavier stuff for those windy days. thanks for the input
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my problem is i have a hard time just guessing where to cast.. shallow i cast at cover. casting at a "hill" under the water is hard for me to get used to lol. gonna go out and try it again tonight
Fishing out in the middle, where everything looks the same(flat) was one of the hardest things for me to commit to. Catching a mess of fish out there will boost your confidence. I overcame the sameness and intimidation by dropping marker buoys at several key spots.....like on top of a hump or along the bend of a creek channel etc. I still keep 10-12 in my boat even though I don't use them as often as I did at first. Good electronics help. The reason the old saw that says 10% of the fisherman catch 90% of the fish is often true because 90% of the fisherman can't stand the pressure of having to try and fish deep/unseen structure. Keep at it, you'll be glad you did one day.
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Old 06-05-12, 10:57 PM   #11
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caught my first fish deep tonight, was a short 11inch fish on a shakey head, was my first catch on a shakey head as well. caught in 8ft of water, feel like its a big accomplishment, its a big boost in confidence thats for sure
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caught my first fish deep tonight, was a short 11inch fish on a shakey head, was my first catch on a shakey head as well. caught in 8ft of water, feel like its a big accomplishment, its a big boost in confidence thats for sure
Way to go Ogle! Many more are soon to follow I'm sure, plus some bigger ones!
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caught my first fish deep tonight, was a short 11inch fish on a shakey head, was my first catch on a shakey head as well. caught in 8ft of water, feel like its a big accomplishment, its a big boost in confidence thats for sure
i have to laugh just a bit. first off glad you caught an off-shore bass. the more you do it, the easier it will become. once you get a picture in your mind of what is under the water, it will be as if you are fishing on dry land and can see everything. the reason that i had to laugh just a bit is that here on table rock, 8 ft. is shallow!! keep at it, bigger bass will be coming your way.

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Old 06-06-12, 06:43 PM   #14
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I'd like to add one thing. A friend of mine used to slay bass in deep water on a 1/4 oz. black maribue jig with a 6 inch lizard as a trailer. I started using them and also do very well with them. It's been a while since I used that rig. I think I'll give it a go again soon.
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Old 06-06-12, 08:07 PM   #15
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8ft?!...that's a hoot, no offense. Guess it's more about open water, than depth. Congrats on the fish, and keep at it, soon enough, you will be,(like me currently) trying to figure out how to fish that hump that's holding fish in 25'.
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yeah 8 ft isnt really that deep but theres really very little structure on the lake im fishing and the deepest part is about 18 ft. anything past bout 10 foot has nothing to hold fish so wont be catching anything any deeper than that.
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caught my first fish deep tonight, was a short 11inch fish on a shakey head, was my first catch on a shakey head as well. caught in 8ft of water, feel like its a big accomplishment, its a big boost in confidence thats for sure
Hey OJ way to go!... deep is in the eye of the beholder. For the first 20+ yrs of my fishing any water that would float your hat was an abyss. Before you know it you'll be making long casts just to fish vertical!

^^^Sometimes depth is it's own cover....don't rule out that 18' water.
We all know fish seek out edges/breaks/etc. The surface of the water is itself an appealing edge the bass use to their advantage(if they chase a baitfish to the top, where else can they run?) same thing goes for the bottom (structure or not) their prey has runout of room!
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Hey OJ way to go!... deep is in the eye of the beholder. For the first 20+ yrs of my fishing any water that would float your hat was an abyss. Before you know it you'll be making long casts just to fish vertical!

^^^Sometimes depth is it's own cover....don't rule out that 18' water.
rather then to cast into the middle of the lake and hope something is there for no reason ill probably just sign my life away on a 998 si combo, cept then ill have a $1700 fish finder and still wont know how to use it haha
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I've talked to pros that say they don't fish any deeper than their flipping rod is long(7', maybe 8'?)...so expanding your fishing horizons is whats really important, and figuring it out is what keeps us fishing.
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I've talked to pros that say they don't fish any deeper than their flipping rod is long(7', maybe 8'?)...so expanding your fishing horizons is whats really important, and figuring it out is what keeps us fishing.
It's true that there are some very talented shallow water specialist on tour, but I'm convinced the "one trick ponys" are at a disadvantage.
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It's true that there are some very talented shallow water specialist on tour, but I'm convinced the "one trick ponys" are at a disadvantage.
+1, I think that's why "these" Pros spend much of their time going around to rinky dink sport shows. I'm not a professional, and know that I can't just fish shallow, especially when the water temps are hovering around 80. Not to say these Pros don't have useful info. to share.
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On deeper bodies of water, knowing where and understanding how fish relate to the thermocline can eliminate allot of unproductive water. Congrats on the fish, when you have time do a quick search on the net, it will make your fish hunting a little easier.
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Florida has shallow water. One of the big lakes I fish averages 15 feet. Ihave been fishing points that fall off into 16, 18, and 21 feet. Also ditches where they have sucked sand up to build up the back yards of houses. Some of these ditches are 12 foot deep, that is go from 4 and 6 foot to 12 foot. These ditches may run as far out as 150 feet from shore. They may only be 6 to 12 foot wide and there may be several next to each other. Usually I fish shallow to deepand then across them. You must really maintain contact with your lure as you pull/bounce it down to deeper water. I am using drop shot/ 1/4 oz., original slider, 1/4 oz, and the good ole Texas rigged worm, 1/4 oz. all on 10 # test line. Haven't had any luck with crankbaits.

Just keep fishing that underwater structure, after a while it will all come together in your mind and you will visualize it with no problem.
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