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Shimano does not keep parts for reels once they have been discontinued for 5 years (correct me if I am wrong Kevin), most of the parts are not too difficult to find through the aftermarket retailers, but they get a good price and as Kevin experienced, they often kill you on shipping.
A good condition Bantam Curado B can still bring in the neighborhood of 65-75 dollars, with the SF Super Free version getting a little more.
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My only complaint is the odd noise I get upon engaging the reel after a cast(kind of a clunk sound-with and odd ring every now and then). I scored my Curado g real cheap because a friend couldn't stand the sound. Besides that they both cast well and do all that I ask of them. Last edited by justbassin4fun; 08-23-12 at 05:37 PM. |
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Sorry for not being clear. The Curado E and Chronach E are virtually the same reel except for a carbon fiber drag washer under the main gear and maybe some anodizing. The next point was that there is not all that much difference between the Curado G and Chronarch E to make one "junk" and the other exceptional. The frame, clutch etc is the same. My third point was that the relationship between models has been restored to what it was traditionally prior to the E series Curado. I don't lobby for one brand over another and I'm not trying to defend Shimano, just sharing my observations.
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Here is my 2 cents on the line up change. 1st off, one the things that most shimano l;overs were so proud of and were always quick to point out was that they were made in Japan instead of other countries with less of a reputation. Many would point out that reovs were built in Korea and that they were therefore inferior in craftmanship to Japan built reels. Was there some truth to that or not? Who could really say? Anyway, even at that time, shimano had already moved the productio of most of there reels to other countries. The main lineup of casting reels were still made in Japan. One indication of the inferier craftmanship of other countries might be to go back to all the problems shimano had with the first runs of the Curado D, which was built in Maylaisia. When they introduced the E model reels, they went back to Japan built reels for the main line up of casting reels. With the introduction of the G model reels, they have returned to Maylasia manufacture for cheaper labor. I have no idea if more people are actually having warranty issues with the G reels than what they had with the E reels, but it certanly seems that more people are being vocal about issues of quality with the G reels. The return to Maylasia manufacrure may prove to be a mistake once again, time will tell.
As for the actuall quality of the G series reels, if you don't compare them to the E series reels that had the same names, then they are absolutly fine. The problem with that is that we have all come to expect that products get better with new editions instead of going backwards. Shimano has a point that they are simply returning the curado and citica to a reel of about the same level it was in the past. If you compare the features, bearing count etc of the G series to the original B series reels, you will see that they are similar. Had Shimano never introduced the D and E curados and went from the B to the BSF and then to This G reel, many might think that the G was a nice model with some decent improvments in materials. I think that it's going to take a lot of time for most to get over this changeup. We saw the chronarch B go from just a slightly fanncier version of the Curado with the B series reels to a premier reel that was a big leap up in design over the curado with the D series chronarchs. We saw the Curado distance itself from the Citica only to have the citca get quite close again with e E series reels, we now have a Chronarch that isn't even close to the same reel as it was as it is now just a white version of the Curado E. We now have a Curado thats built in Maylasia on a Canean frame and it now has regresed to about the same features as it had 20 years ago, but it's doubtful it will come anywhere close to being revered on the same level as the B series was. Personally, I think Shimano would have been better off just starting with new names for these new reels and leaving the curado E alone with a price increase if that was needed. |
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Thanks for clearing it up, I have not tried the G series reels yet, but have looked at the schematics many times. They are similar in design to the E series reels, most of the difference is the frame is based on the Caenan rather than the E-series design. I agree, on paper it is hard to see why one would be a lot better than the other. I can see the argument about ergonomics, but if you leave politics out of the matter, I cant see why the G would not be a good reel.'
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Another crazy thing is that on Ebay, the Curado E series are going for over 200 bucks (there are some left handed models going for less) right now and there aren't a lot of them available. A year ago you could pick one up easily for under 130. People must be grabbing them up quick.
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Also what about Shimano's spinning reel issues. They have a bad reputation of binding up. What causes that, and is it something that can be fixed?
Recently I switch over to Pflueger spinning reels, and they have been good so far.
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Shimano uses a rubber gasket or large O-Ring on the front of the frame behind the rotor. The ring is called a friction washer. It puts just enough friction on the inside of the rotor to keep it from turning while you cast. The reason they need this is because if the rotor turns during a cast, it can turn enough to hit the trip lever and snap the bail closed. Thas what it's for. Now the problem is that all of the ones they used up until last year were a black rubber that swells up and turns gummy. It then rubs all the time and binds the reel. It can get so bad that it chews itself into pieces and jams everything. The replacement part is a blue gasket that seems to be made of a denser material. You would think that it would be a recall or extended warranty issue, or at least offer the part for free replacment, but they didn't do that.
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Do you know if the new Shimano spinning reels that came out this year, like the Sahara FE and Symetre FL, have this problem anymore?
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People loaded up on the E series when you could get them for under $100 & when the news of the G was coming out. Everyone was barking it was inferior with the same price tag, Malay built, etc.... Now they are making some sweet profits IMO.
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I've found the key to CL is to not just scour it, but do it often, at least a couple times a day unless I'm out fishing or doing family stuff. The good deals don't last long, first person gets it. Also I've found some good reels in the "boat" section, instead of "sporting". So I always look through it as well.
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I would assume the newest reels have the new type friction washer. I have not worked on a new one yet, so i can't say for sure.
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Try getting a used Chronarch 50mg for under $200. I remember when they were discounting them. I should have bought a couple more. I bought 3 Citica E's and like them better than the Curado E's.
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What do you like better about the Citica?
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I'm a little curious about why they make model changes so frequently. I suppose that they can increase profit by reducing the production costs and raising the price each time. I sure wish that they made the 50Mg again, that's probably my favorite reel. I don't have any Core's though.
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I said when the E's were clearance priced that those folks were nuts. I'd have sat on them and sold them at the higher price now. Shops were probably afraid of getting stuck with the "old" models. I took adavantage and got a 201E Curado new for $99. It's in service on a jig/worm rod.
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That's just my assumption as I don't work in this part of the business or the civilian sector period...LOL. So I may be literally talking out my @$$ |
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You can find new Cores on Ebay for under $300, I would definitely go that route before spending $200 on a Curado E or Chronarch E for that matter.
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