12 year since 9/11

1/4 stick · 09-11-13, 01:25 AM

12 years ago today, a group of cowards flew planes into the World trade center, and Pentagon. And another group of brave people died in a plane that crashed before it could reach it's target. It was a day that rattled every one of us. I send prayers for those that died, those that survived, those who lost loved ones, and those that still fight and die to stop those that would harm us. May we never forget that day and remember forever that feeling of vulnerability that few of us had ever known till that day. Remind ourselves and our children to never let our guards down again. Hold our freedoms and the safety we all enjoy close to our hearts and protect it like the precious thing it is. All these years and so little has changed. The people that did that to us that day are still out there, they still hate us and our way of life. They will continue to try and given half a chance will do it again and try to do more damage and cause more pain and loss. We try to help those who need it, and people hate us because we can and do. Let us never forget and allow it to happen again.

Once more, to those that died, those that were injured and survived, those that fight and die to keep us safe, and to those families that lost people and have family fighting they love. I pray for you to have strength and for God to guide you and protect you and I thank you for the sacrifices you've given.

keithdog · 09-11-13, 07:04 AM

God bless the victims and their loved ones. You said it all Donald. May the younger generation always remember, and generations beyond.

kennethdaysale · 09-11-13, 10:13 PM

Every Interstate overpass I went over/under today was filled with Vets waiving American Flags. Proud of them.
Might have been just a S.C. thing but I hope it was nationwide.

WTL · 09-12-13, 11:45 AM

Is it strange that I think we should stop acting as if this is a huge day of memorial, or a holiday?

It just feels like some relive this day each year on 9/11, and all it is good for is pain. What did people do with Dec 7? Is there a time when we become more low-key regarding 9/11, or should that ever happen? Mind you I'm not trying to start a fight or anything, its just that that day was so disgusting, and it seems devoting so much time to it every year is in keeping with what the terrorists wanted...

nofearengineer · 09-12-13, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by WTL

Is it strange that I think we should stop acting as if this is a huge day of memorial, or a holiday?

It just feels like some relive this day each year on 9/11, and all it is good for is pain. What did people do with Dec 7? Is there a time when we become more low-key regarding 9/11, or should that ever happen? Mind you I'm not trying to start a fight or anything, its just that that day was so disgusting, and it seems devoting so much time to it every year is in keeping with what the terrorists wanted...

Yes, the national pasttime of baseball was replaced with mourning a long time ago. Since the liberals took over, and victimhood became the ultimate virtue, it has been this way.

America used to be in the business of kicking *** and taking names. Now it just builds memorial after memorial.

MO_CPA · 09-12-13, 09:20 PM

Kick ***, take names and honor the fallen. I'm 28 and still take a moment every year to pay homage those who died Dec 7, 1941.

WTL · 09-13-13, 07:57 AM

Its not that I don't think we should mourn, or honor the fallen. And while I think nofear is right in part, I am a little worried about something slightly different. I am trying to describe it, but may fail;

America has a civic religion. The honor of 9/11 has become one of the cardinal holidays of this civic religion. But to the extent that it is sometimes used, I have also seen the fear and memory of 9/11 abused. I see it abused by politicians arguing for new wars in the middle east (do this, or we may have another 9/11)... I've seen the commemorative plates and coins with the twin towers on them. And some of what has washed in with the respect towards that day has not been all good.

So as a private remembrance, yes, we should have that as we do for Dec 7 1941. But making in a huge public deal...or worse, the cog in a political guilt trip, it makes me nervous. Respectfully nervous.

Abbeysdad · 09-13-13, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by WTL

Is it strange that I think we should stop acting as if this is a huge day of memorial, or a holiday?

It just feels like some relive this day each year on 9/11, and all it is good for is pain. What did people do with Dec 7? Is there a time when we become more low-key regarding 9/11, or should that ever happen? Mind you I'm not trying to start a fight or anything, its just that that day was so disgusting, and it seems devoting so much time to it every year is in keeping with what the terrorists wanted...

Like Dec 7th, 9/11 is a day that lives in infamy and we should never forget such atrocities, especially against civilians.

I'd like to share a special thanks to all those first responders that risked so much, worked so hard and/or lost their lives helping to rescue others.

kennethdaysale · 09-14-13, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by wtl

is it strange that i think we should stop acting as if this is a huge day of memorial ?

yes...................

MallenManson · 09-15-13, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kennethdaysale

yes...................

Times 2.........

WTL · 09-17-13, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Abbeysdad

Like Dec 7th, 9/11 is a day that lives in infamy and we should never forget such atrocities, especially against civilians.

I'd like to share a special thanks to all those first responders that risked so much, worked so hard and/or lost their lives helping to rescue others.

Didn't say it shouldn't be infamous or forgotten. I guess I just get annoyed by pundits who in weepy voices say don't forget how you felt Sept 12 as they are shilling for you to support one thing or another. Most people weren't thinking clearly in the aftermath of 9/11,a nd trying to recreate that mindset is bad for America. We have replaced reason with emotional appeals. Maybe we did that a long time ago, IE Remember the Maine. See Newtown connecticut for another example of what can happen.

I know the people in this thread are thanking responders, and remembering the victims, which is in no way what I am assailing. I am saying that we should guard against hyper-emotionalism creating a civic religion founded on the martyrdom of those lost on 9/11, and used for improper means (IE, the continuance of the war on terror, and destruction of our civil liberties as a tradeoff for never having to relive another such day)....

kennethdaysale · 09-17-13, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by WTL

Didn't say it shouldn't be infamous or forgotten. I guess I just get annoyed by pundits who in weepy voices say don't forget how you felt Sept 12 as they are shilling for you to support one thing or another. Most people weren't thinking clearly in the aftermath of 9/11,a nd trying to recreate that mindset is bad for America. We have replaced reason with emotional appeals. Maybe we did that a long time ago, IE Remember the Maine. See Newtown connecticut for another example of what can happen.

I know the people in this thread are thanking responders, and remembering the victims, which is in no way what I am assailing. I am saying that we should guard against hyper-emotionalism creating a civic religion founded on the martyrdom of those lost on 9/11, and used for improper means (IE, the continuance of the war on terror, and destruction of our civil liberties as a tradeoff for never having to relive another such day)....

Billy I agree that the weepy voiced pundits using 9/11 to shill whatever their agenda might be is just as disgusting as the grievance industry using the Trayvon Martin tragedy to spin a tired 60's narrative. However........

Personally I don't ever remember thinking more clearly than right after 9/11. The mindset that I and most everyone I met was never more- never more........I don't know exactly how to characterize it.....National.....proud to be an American.....patriotic.....RIGHTIOUSLY(SP) INDIGNANT.

As far as improper means, well..............the war on terror (like all wars) will continue until someone wins or loses, and I'm just as mad about the whole NSA business as anybody, but can't stomach the thought of evildoers chatting away on the phone and net plotting their next mass murder willy nilly just to appease the ACLU and Libertarians.

WTL · 09-19-13, 10:03 AM

The war on terror is misnamed, in that it is not an actual war, but an open ended campaign against a method that has been used in war since the dawn of war. In other words, it will never be over unless we are at a time wise enough to realize that you cannot cleanse blood with more blood. That is a tragedy that does us far more harm than good. We satisfied vengeance a long time ago, its time now to let them go to hell without our involvement.

MallenManson · 09-21-13, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by WTL

Didn't say it shouldn't be infamous or forgotten. I guess I just get annoyed by pundits who in weepy voices say don't forget how you felt Sept 12 as they are shilling for you to support one thing or another. Most people weren't thinking clearly in the aftermath of 9/11,a nd trying to recreate that mindset is bad for America. We have replaced reason with emotional appeals. Maybe we did that a long time ago, IE Remember the Maine. See Newtown connecticut for another example of what can happen.

I know the people in this thread are thanking responders, and remembering the victims, which is in no way what I am assailing. I am saying that we should guard against hyper-emotionalism creating a civic religion founded on the martyrdom of those lost on 9/11, and used for improper means (IE, the continuance of the war on terror, and destruction of our civil liberties as a tradeoff for never having to relive another such day)....

I do understand what you're saying, although I think 9/11 is a date we should never forget and never stop respecting

Hell, even my black lab died on 9/11 (different year). Not a real good day on my calendar all the way around

Abbeysdad · 09-27-13, 02:40 AM

I also think from time to time that we could turn our backs on the rest of the world and not get involved...Then I remember what the world would most likely be like today if the allied forces hadn't defeated Hitler.

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Originally Posted by WTL

The war on terror is misnamed, in that it is not an actual war, but an open ended campaign against a method that has been used in war since the dawn of war. In other words, it will never be over unless we are at a time wise enough to realize that you cannot cleanse blood with more blood. That is a tragedy that does us far more harm than good. We satisfied vengeance a long time ago, its time now to let them go to hell without our involvement.

WTL · 09-27-13, 09:51 AM

WWII is not an ongoing call to arms. We cannot use it as an excuse for going to war in distant lands. Remember, the german menace itself was created by unnecessary war...in 1914. The seeds of german nationalism were planted at the end of that war.

kennethdaysale · 09-27-13, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by WTL

The war on terror is misnamed, in that it is not an actual war, but an open ended campaign against a method that has been used in war since the dawn of war. In other words, it will never be over unless we are at a time wise enough to realize that you cannot cleanse blood with more blood. That is a tragedy that does us far more harm than good. We satisfied vengeance a long time ago, its time now to let them go to hell without our involvement.

Sure you can! As a matter of fact in this case it's the ONLY way you can since that's all they understand. Not sure how "wise" it is to hope they will just wake up one morning and decide they no longer choose to adhere to the "Satanic Verses"

"become more low-key regarding 9/11, or should that ever happen? Mind you I'm not trying to start a fight or anything".....me either ...just my take

WTL · 09-27-13, 12:04 PM

Not so, you start killing brothers and sons and even a few daughters and it militarizes them even more than they already are. If you leave them alone, they end up fighting amongst themselves for the most part. They fight who they see. The checynians fight the russians. The kurds fight the turks. And when America is in Iraq, the sunnis fight us. That is how they work. Yes, they have a militant religion, but you have to manage them like you manage any hothead. You do that by not provoking and keeping your distance as best you can. If he hits you, you hit back, but then you walk away after hes down. Hes down right now. Walk away.

WTL · 09-27-13, 12:05 PM

Unless you want to kill them all, you have to manage them.

joedog · 09-27-13, 12:47 PM

I'm not going to tell anyone what they should do or how they should mourn or remember a tragedy.
Should it be forgotten.....NEVER!!!
Will force ever really change a persons ideals? Probably not. Usually has the opposite effect.
When you have no rights or free will when living.....maybe martyrdom seems like an only option?

Any one group who willingly and proudly shoots a little girl in front of ALL her classmates cause she feels women should have the right to learn, should probably be exterminated....but thats not my call to make.
War and violence is easy to talk about, criticize or even share ideas about.....when you never personally have experienced it.

But,

WTL brought back a saying a Marine friend of mine says frequently......

KILL THEM ALL....and let GOD figure it out later.

Heck I mourn my pets passing away.
Should I not mourn the loss of human life?

09-11-13, 01:25 AM	#1
1/4 stick BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Fayetteville, N.C. Posts: 3,529	12 year since 9/11 12 years ago today, a group of cowards flew planes into the World trade center, and Pentagon. And another group of brave people died in a plane that crashed before it could reach it's target. It was a day that rattled every one of us. I send prayers for those that died, those that survived, those who lost loved ones, and those that still fight and die to stop those that would harm us. May we never forget that day and remember forever that feeling of vulnerability that few of us had ever known till that day. Remind ourselves and our children to never let our guards down again. Hold our freedoms and the safety we all enjoy close to our hearts and protect it like the precious thing it is. All these years and so little has changed. The people that did that to us that day are still out there, they still hate us and our way of life. They will continue to try and given half a chance will do it again and try to do more damage and cause more pain and loss. We try to help those who need it, and people hate us because we can and do. Let us never forget and allow it to happen again. Once more, to those that died, those that were injured and survived, those that fight and die to keep us safe, and to those families that lost people and have family fighting they love. I pray for you to have strength and for God to guide you and protect you and I thank you for the sacrifices you've given. __________________ Just a redneck having fun. https://www.youtube.com/user/donaldvlogsify

09-11-13, 07:04 AM	#2
keithdog BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: IN Posts: 8,308	God bless the victims and their loved ones. You said it all Donald. May the younger generation always remember, and generations beyond. __________________ Just one more cast, and then some!

09-11-13, 10:13 PM	#3
kennethdaysale BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: rock hill, sc Posts: 2,315	Every Interstate overpass I went over/under today was filled with Vets waiving American Flags. Proud of them. Might have been just a S.C. thing but I hope it was nationwide. __________________ Sometimes you gotta risk it to get the biscuit.

09-12-13, 11:45 AM	#4
WTL BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Huntsville, Al Posts: 7,466	Is it strange that I think we should stop acting as if this is a huge day of memorial, or a holiday? It just feels like some relive this day each year on 9/11, and all it is good for is pain. What did people do with Dec 7? Is there a time when we become more low-key regarding 9/11, or should that ever happen? Mind you I'm not trying to start a fight or anything, its just that that day was so disgusting, and it seems devoting so much time to it every year is in keeping with what the terrorists wanted... __________________ Selling live waterdogs for less since 2005.

09-12-13, 09:20 PM	#6
MO_CPA BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ozark, Missouri Posts: 361	Kick ***, take names and honor the fallen. I'm 28 and still take a moment every year to pay homage those who died Dec 7, 1941. __________________ Whatever you allow is what will continue.

09-13-13, 07:57 AM	#7
WTL BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Huntsville, Al Posts: 7,466	Its not that I don't think we should mourn, or honor the fallen. And while I think nofear is right in part, I am a little worried about something slightly different. I am trying to describe it, but may fail; America has a civic religion. The honor of 9/11 has become one of the cardinal holidays of this civic religion. But to the extent that it is sometimes used, I have also seen the fear and memory of 9/11 abused. I see it abused by politicians arguing for new wars in the middle east (do this, or we may have another 9/11)... I've seen the commemorative plates and coins with the twin towers on them. And some of what has washed in with the respect towards that day has not been all good. So as a private remembrance, yes, we should have that as we do for Dec 7 1941. But making in a huge public deal...or worse, the cog in a political guilt trip, it makes me nervous. Respectfully nervous. __________________ Selling live waterdogs for less since 2005.

09-19-13, 10:03 AM	#13
WTL BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Huntsville, Al Posts: 7,466	The war on terror is misnamed, in that it is not an actual war, but an open ended campaign against a method that has been used in war since the dawn of war. In other words, it will never be over unless we are at a time wise enough to realize that you cannot cleanse blood with more blood. That is a tragedy that does us far more harm than good. We satisfied vengeance a long time ago, its time now to let them go to hell without our involvement. __________________ Selling live waterdogs for less since 2005.

09-27-13, 09:51 AM	#16
WTL BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Huntsville, Al Posts: 7,466	WWII is not an ongoing call to arms. We cannot use it as an excuse for going to war in distant lands. Remember, the german menace itself was created by unnecessary war...in 1914. The seeds of german nationalism were planted at the end of that war. __________________ Selling live waterdogs for less since 2005.

09-27-13, 12:04 PM	#18
WTL BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Huntsville, Al Posts: 7,466	Not so, you start killing brothers and sons and even a few daughters and it militarizes them even more than they already are. If you leave them alone, they end up fighting amongst themselves for the most part. They fight who they see. The checynians fight the russians. The kurds fight the turks. And when America is in Iraq, the sunnis fight us. That is how they work. Yes, they have a militant religion, but you have to manage them like you manage any hothead. You do that by not provoking and keeping your distance as best you can. If he hits you, you hit back, but then you walk away after hes down. Hes down right now. Walk away. __________________ Selling live waterdogs for less since 2005.

09-27-13, 12:05 PM	#19
WTL BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Huntsville, Al Posts: 7,466	Unless you want to kill them all, you have to manage them. __________________ Selling live waterdogs for less since 2005.

09-27-13, 12:47 PM	#20
joedog BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: JANESVILLE,WI. 53545 Posts: 3,415	I'm not going to tell anyone what they should do or how they should mourn or remember a tragedy. Should it be forgotten.....NEVER!!! Will force ever really change a persons ideals? Probably not. Usually has the opposite effect. When you have no rights or free will when living.....maybe martyrdom seems like an only option? Any one group who willingly and proudly shoots a little girl in front of ALL her classmates cause she feels women should have the right to learn, should probably be exterminated....but thats not my call to make. War and violence is easy to talk about, criticize or even share ideas about.....when you never personally have experienced it. But, WTL brought back a saying a Marine friend of mine says frequently...... KILL THEM ALL....and let GOD figure it out later. Heck I mourn my pets passing away. Should I not mourn the loss of human life? __________________ "Fishing isn't life or death... it's more important than that."

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