End of the yamaha 2 stroke

4EVER16 · 12-10-09, 07:39 PM

I was told today by a dealer that 2010 will be the last year for 2 strokes. Stating in 2011 all outboards will be 4 stroke

Anybody else heard this?

Basscrazie · 12-11-09, 12:03 AM

We knew it was coming and it looks like yammy did good on the gamechanger..They may cost to much till everybody else catches up.

nofearengineer · 12-11-09, 10:18 AM

I think it's noteworthy that they compare it to their own 2-strokes, rather than the competition. I guess it only changes the game if you're playing with yourself to begin with (and yes, I meant that the other way too

).

A 250hp "gamechanger" weighs exactly what a 250 hp Optimax Pro XS weighs, 505 lbs (an E-TEC 250hp only weighs 13 lbs more). I want to see a multi-manufacturer shootout for the real comparison.

WTL · 12-12-09, 07:21 PM

When they first started switching over to 4 strokes and eliminating 2s, I was distressed. If I understand this thread correctly, are we saying they are getting the 4s down closer to the hp/weight ratio we previously had?

It really matters to us small boat guys.

nofearengineer · 12-12-09, 08:28 PM

WTL, I can't say what the hp/weight ratio is for the smaller motors. All I have seen is the 250 hp one. At that size, they do appear to have matched the 2-strokes.

By the way...I am probably biased a little in favor of the 4-stroke engine, even though I own a 2-stroke. I would love a quieter rig with equal power. I'm just naturally distrustful of marketing departments.

zooker · 12-13-09, 10:54 PM

As of right now the only 2 stroke moters not being built for 2010 is the 3.3l. Actually since the 2010 moters are already built -since june 2009-it'll be 2011 before production stops on the 200-300 horse two stroke moters..

As of now the rest of the 2 strokes will still be built..

zooker

1FASTLASER · 12-14-09, 08:05 AM

Ole zook gets the cookie on this one. You can still get the 2 strokes from authorized dealers.........unfortunately California is one place you cant...............I will tell you this though........Yamaha has introduced a new 4 stroke that is going to take the outboard market by storm.................some of you know how much I love my beloved mercurys and knowing this you should realize it hurts to say.......Yamaha has put a hurting on the outboard market. Imagine this ........a 4 stroke.....weighing LESS than a comparable 2 stroke.......with BIG cubic displacement.........and the performance of a 2 stroke...........It dont get "NO BETTER THAN THIS" When I have a little more time I will put up some links to the "SHO Yamaha"

woody · 12-16-09, 11:50 PM

For those of you that are interested, here's a podcast interview with Yamaha's Marine Division Vice President Ben Special, introducing their new 4 stroke Vmax SHO.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/...ast&id=4675647

Crank-Bait-Frank · 12-17-09, 11:04 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/b...haSHO_20091119

Check this link out........... I still have sticker shock! But what a nice motor.

buzbait88 · 01-12-10, 10:29 PM

I was told that it would only be the high HP motors. anything under 175 will still be offered in 2 stroke. I think 150-175 will be the HPDI everything up from that will be the SHO and everything else will stay the same.

dbltap · 01-12-10, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crank-Bait-Frank

http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/b...haSHO_20091119

Check this link out........... I still have sticker shock! But what a nice motor.

Sticker shock????? That's a freaking electrocution!!! Will have to wait until the technology spreads to level the playing field. Doubt that I'll ever own one. Now where's that Powerball ticket?

buzbait88 · 01-13-10, 07:54 AM

70,000 is with the new skeeter FX series and that is MSRP, nobody pays MSRP for a boat and if they do they are stupid. Alot of boats are going to have an MSRP between 60-70,000. I think I heard the motor alone is about 20K which is about what you would have payed for an HPDI.

dbltap · 01-13-10, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buzbait88

70,000 is with the new skeeter FX series and that is MSRP, nobody pays MSRP for a boat and if they do they are stupid. Alot of boats are going to have an MSRP between 60-70,000. I think I heard the motor alone is about 20K which is about what you would have payed for an HPDI.

Oh, the motor comes with a boat. That's a little better. Still out of reach for most of us.

nmanley · 01-13-10, 09:41 PM

I hate to say it but the 4 stroke will make the cost associated with a big motor go through the roof. The motocross industry went to 90% 4 strokes over the last 8 years and they cost and arm and a leg to maintain. Power on a 4 stroke comes at a price of lower endurance and everyone will have to pay for it in the end.

nofearengineer · 01-13-10, 11:13 PM

nmanley, what kind of endurance problems are you referring to? Any specific engine components?

nmanley · 01-14-10, 01:16 AM

Top end components mainly. Cams, valves, guides and such. Only saving grace is that the motorcycles turn around 8000 - 10,000rpm on average vers the boat 5000 to 5500 range. Still when you have to have work done on one there is more time involved in rebuilds or repair. Not to mention what those nice hi performance parts are going to cost for boat motors. Supply and demand type prices.

Heck anyone with a little mechanical aptitude can bore hone and 2 smoker and get it back running good.

Listen, I'm a geek, I love new and better but at what price.

nofearengineer · 01-14-10, 01:26 AM

Yeah, I about shat myself when I saw the 250 Verado's going for 20 grand. The reality of those prices still boggles my mind.

nmanley · 01-14-10, 01:39 AM

Ain't it the truth!

I'm going to look at a 95 Stratos 201 w/Johnson 200 at the end of the month if it doesn't sell before then. I know that if that motor needs it I can go through it reasonably in cost.

12-10-09, 07:39 PM	#1
4EVER16 BassFishin.Com Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Olive Branch, Mississippi Posts: 12	End of the yamaha 2 stroke I was told today by a dealer that 2010 will be the last year for 2 strokes. Stating in 2011 all outboards will be 4 stroke Anybody else heard this? __________________ If you haven't grown up by age 50 you don't have to!

12-11-09, 10:18 AM	#3
nofearengineer BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southwest IN Posts: 5,630	I think it's noteworthy that they compare it to their own 2-strokes, rather than the competition. I guess it only changes the game if you're playing with yourself to begin with (and yes, I meant that the other way too ). A 250hp "gamechanger" weighs exactly what a 250 hp Optimax Pro XS weighs, 505 lbs (an E-TEC 250hp only weighs 13 lbs more). I want to see a multi-manufacturer shootout for the real comparison. __________________ Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing it is not fish they are after.

12-12-09, 08:28 PM	#5
nofearengineer BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southwest IN Posts: 5,630	WTL, I can't say what the hp/weight ratio is for the smaller motors. All I have seen is the 250 hp one. At that size, they do appear to have matched the 2-strokes. By the way...I am probably biased a little in favor of the 4-stroke engine, even though I own a 2-stroke. I would love a quieter rig with equal power. I'm just naturally distrustful of marketing departments. __________________ Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing it is not fish they are after.

12-13-09, 10:54 PM	#6
zooker BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: denton nc Posts: 13,441	As of right now the only 2 stroke moters not being built for 2010 is the 3.3l. Actually since the 2010 moters are already built -since june 2009-it'll be 2011 before production stops on the 200-300 horse two stroke moters.. As of now the rest of the 2 strokes will still be built.. zooker __________________ the godfather.. aml in remission since 7-20-09

12-14-09, 08:05 AM	#7
1FASTLASER BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: crossett,arkansas Posts: 2,777	Ole zook gets the cookie on this one. You can still get the 2 strokes from authorized dealers.........unfortunately California is one place you cant...............I will tell you this though........Yamaha has introduced a new 4 stroke that is going to take the outboard market by storm.................some of you know how much I love my beloved mercurys and knowing this you should realize it hurts to say.......Yamaha has put a hurting on the outboard market. Imagine this ........a 4 stroke.....weighing LESS than a comparable 2 stroke.......with BIG cubic displacement.........and the performance of a 2 stroke...........It dont get "NO BETTER THAN THIS" When I have a little more time I will put up some links to the "SHO Yamaha" __________________ Laser's rule with Merc's doing the pushing..........KEEP THE WETSIDE DOWN AND THE DRY SIDE UP!!!!!!

12-11-09, 12:03 AM	#2
Basscrazie BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: magnolia,tx Posts: 398	We knew it was coming and it looks like yammy did good on the gamechanger..They may cost to much till everybody else catches up.

12-12-09, 07:21 PM	#4
WTL BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Huntsville, Al Posts: 7,466	When they first started switching over to 4 strokes and eliminating 2s, I was distressed. If I understand this thread correctly, are we saying they are getting the 4s down closer to the hp/weight ratio we previously had? It really matters to us small boat guys.

12-16-09, 11:50 PM	#8
woody BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Jonesville, Indiana Posts: 3,597	For those of you that are interested, here's a podcast interview with Yamaha's Marine Division Vice President Ben Special, introducing their new 4 stroke Vmax SHO. http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/...ast&id=4675647

12-17-09, 11:04 AM	#9
Crank-Bait-Frank BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Long Wood, FL Posts: 329	http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/b...haSHO_20091119 Check this link out........... I still have sticker shock! But what a nice motor. __________________ CBF

01-12-10, 10:29 PM	#10
buzbait88 BassFishin.Com Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Clinton, Iowa Posts: 33	I was told that it would only be the high HP motors. anything under 175 will still be offered in 2 stroke. I think 150-175 will be the HPDI everything up from that will be the SHO and everything else will stay the same.

01-13-10, 07:54 AM	#12
buzbait88 BassFishin.Com Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Clinton, Iowa Posts: 33	70,000 is with the new skeeter FX series and that is MSRP, nobody pays MSRP for a boat and if they do they are stupid. Alot of boats are going to have an MSRP between 60-70,000. I think I heard the motor alone is about 20K which is about what you would have payed for an HPDI.

01-13-10, 09:41 PM	#14
nmanley BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Daleville, AL Posts: 265	I hate to say it but the 4 stroke will make the cost associated with a big motor go through the roof. The motocross industry went to 90% 4 strokes over the last 8 years and they cost and arm and a leg to maintain. Power on a 4 stroke comes at a price of lower endurance and everyone will have to pay for it in the end.

01-13-10, 11:13 PM	#15
nofearengineer BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southwest IN Posts: 5,630	nmanley, what kind of endurance problems are you referring to? Any specific engine components? __________________ Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing it is not fish they are after.

01-14-10, 01:16 AM	#16
nmanley BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Daleville, AL Posts: 265	Top end components mainly. Cams, valves, guides and such. Only saving grace is that the motorcycles turn around 8000 - 10,000rpm on average vers the boat 5000 to 5500 range. Still when you have to have work done on one there is more time involved in rebuilds or repair. Not to mention what those nice hi performance parts are going to cost for boat motors. Supply and demand type prices. Heck anyone with a little mechanical aptitude can bore hone and 2 smoker and get it back running good. Listen, I'm a geek, I love new and better but at what price.

01-14-10, 01:26 AM	#17
nofearengineer BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southwest IN Posts: 5,630	Yeah, I about shat myself when I saw the 250 Verado's going for 20 grand. The reality of those prices still boggles my mind. __________________ Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing it is not fish they are after.

01-14-10, 01:39 AM	#18
nmanley BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Daleville, AL Posts: 265	Ain't it the truth! I'm going to look at a 95 Stratos 201 w/Johnson 200 at the end of the month if it doesn't sell before then. I know that if that motor needs it I can go through it reasonably in cost.

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