Power and Action

[Tavery5]

Figured it might be a good time to repost this information, we are moving into the fishing season and allot of folks are starting to make new rod purchases, this should help.

[Rebbasser]

[Jrob78]

Thanks for posting this Tony. It would do a lot of people a lot of good to learn this. It blows my mind when I hear pros and even rod companies talk about their med heavy action rods.

[nobass]

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[carolina-rig-01]

Originally Posted by Jrob78

Thanks for posting this Tony. It would do a lot of people a lot of good to learn this. It blows my mind when I hear pros and even rod companies talk about their med heavy action rods.

I hear ya. But as much as I love Falcon rods, it's always drove me crazy that a rod company would make the same mistake http://falconrods.com/index.php/rods...l-casting.html .

[Jrob78]

Originally Posted by carolina-rig-01

I hear ya. But as much as I love Falcon rods, it's always drove me crazy that a rod company would make the same mistake http://falconrods.com/index.php/rods...l-casting.html .

That's exactly who I was thinking of, I think Quantum does this on some of their rods too. It doesn't take anything away from the rods, it just doesn't offer a great description of them either.

[Dogmatic]

Does this terminology include parabolic action rods, a term I have heard a lot lately?

[Jrob78]

Originally Posted by Dogmatic

Does this terminology include parabolic action rods, a term I have heard a lot lately?

Parabolic would be "slowest" on the chart. It bends from tip to butt.

[Tavery5]

yes, the term parabolic comes from parabola, you can do a quick search on parabola and it will give you a better understanding of what the curve looks like. Parabolic describes the action, the power can be any, as it is a description of the force it takes to bend the rod.

Parabolic action rods are most commonly used as crankbait rods.

[bamabassman]

THIS IS WONDERFUL graph. thank you so much for posting this. now EVERYONE cans ee waht is meant by said actions on rods. i have wondered where to find a graph or chart like this. yeah....i'm pretty lazy aobut researching stuff. i get furstrated when it doesn't pop right up and say to heck with it. after spending 30 mins ot find ONE specific thing, i get mad and forget about it. then ask someone who is more knowlegeable to do it for me. thanks MB, hahaha!!

[kennethdaysale]

All the the rod reviews on TT use a R.O.D. (rate of deflection?) index to try and bring some uniformity to comparisons but have never really understood how they measure it. Was a little bashful to ask anyone but I guess I've been here long enough to swallow my pride anybody know how that really works?

[joedog]

Thanks Tavery.
Now, I hear manufacturers talking lure weight and line size. I also hear the same from alot of tackle sales people.
But alot of times I hear actual fishing folks base rod power choice on technique and cover ect. What are they dragging in with the fish or pulling fish out of.
Easy example is frogging. Based on the chart you would never really need more than a med. power. Even 50lb. braid is thin. The frog weighs almost nothing.
So do you folks base power choices on line and lure or what type of structure being fished or both?

[BigBassin144]

Originally Posted by kennethdaysale

All the the rod reviews on TT use a R.O.D. (rate of deflection?) index to try and bring some uniformity to comparisons but have never really understood how they measure it. Was a little bashful to ask anyone but I guess I've been here long enough to swallow my pride anybody know how that really works?

They've had the discussion over there and A LOT of people have no clue how it works. They must just look at the graph and think, "oooh, pretty colors!"

The rate of deflection is how much the rod moves from it's start position. I believe this is measured at the tip. As you can see from their graph, the y-axis is a measurement of distance, while the x-axis is the weight used. They apply different forces to the rods, and measure the displacement. I don't know how useful this is as a figure, but it is when comparing rods.

Anyways, this is a great post to have, and should be made into a sticky is Kevin is still around to sticky threads...

BB

[Tavery5]

I think you hit it on the head BB, RoD is just that a measurement of deflection when a known load is applied. They use a reference rod for a standard and then all others are compared to it.

[MississippiBoy]

Is it just a coincidence that the acronym for "Rate of Deflection" spells out "ROD?"

[DVT Mike]

Originally Posted by Jrob78

Thanks for posting this Tony. It would do a lot of people a lot of good to learn this. It blows my mind when I hear pros and even rod companies talk about their med heavy action rods.

Amen. I hear these terms routinely misused on the fishing shows from knowledgeable anglers like Van Dam, Lindner and right down the line. Makes my head spin.

[joedog]

I was visiting some of the lesser forums. A couple have a very high tournament fishing population. Over and over folks were making coments like this, "I use a 7' MH fast action or extra fast action but you have to get one with a soft tip!" This was a frogging rod discussion. Again, extra fast action tells you there is a soft tip, right?
Fast action means you have a soft tip but not quite as soft as an extra fast. Right?

Tavery5, am I still not understanding? These folks are miss using terms, right?
Or at least repeating terms, right?

One 'yes your right' answer requested.

[Tavery5]

Originally Posted by joedog

I was visiting some of the lesser forums. A couple have a very high tournament fishing population. Over and over folks were making comments like this, "I use a 7' MH fast action or extra fast action but you have to get one with a soft tip!" This was a frogging rod discussion. Again, extra fast action tells you there is a soft tip, right?
Fast action means you have a soft tip but not quite as soft as an extra fast. Right?

Tavery5, am I still not understanding? These folks are miss using terms, right?
Or at least repeating terms, right?

One 'yes your right' answer requested.

Well, your on the right track, but you have your terms reversed, the slower, less stiff actions are moderate, moderate fast, the fast and xtra fast tips are stiffer.

It is common for people to say MH fast action, and it is a correct expression, MH power Fast action would be more correct, but it still correctly describes the power and action of the rod.

When people speak of a Fast action rod with a soft tip, what I believe they are describing in another property of rods ofter refereed to as recovery rate. We can have a discussion on recovery rate and hoop strength and all of the other things that make a great rod, but I would rather do it in a separate thread. I really hope to keep this tread easy to understand.

[joedog]

Thanks Tavery5, I'll get it!
Man, not a single 'yes your right' answer.
Ya I'm poor on terminology....and it appears most fisherman are!
So if I got a Croix with ScII blank, parabolic bend MH with fast action.
I have a Meduim Heavy power fast action with a slow tip? Wrong? (reverse psychology)

[bassboogieman]

Amen. I hear these terms routinely misused on the fishing shows from knowledgeable anglers like Van Dam, Lindner and right down the line.

That is amazing, just last week I was watching an episode of Bill Dance and when it came to his equipment description in mid-show, he described his rod as "6'6" medium action rod". I just shook my head, it's no wonder people are confused when it comes to power vs action when describing a rod.