Heisman Trophy

[Lancer6]

Of course, and to no one's surprise, I'm pleased by "my boy" Sam Bradford's triumph over two equally worthy colleagues last night in NYC so well as the fact that OU now has produced five Heisman winners. But that is not what motivates this post.
As I awaited the announcement of the winner's name, I had a feeling that no matter who walked away with the trophy all three of these young men were GOOD guys and represented college athletics, football in particular, and their respective schools in the best manner possible.
I had thought that perhaps the voters would select Colt McCoy, and that would have been acceptable save for the fact that some might have considered that to be some sort of consolation prize and driven by Mack Brown's whining about the outcome of the Big 12 South Division race.
Had Tim Tebow won, some might have thought it to be some sort of hangover from his triumph last year or another slap in OU's face motivated by the obvious anti-Sooner bias evidenced by much of the media. Just reflect on ESPN and their increasing dumbA55 talking heads, most notably Kirk Herbstreit, who even refuses to pronounce OU's great tight end's name correctly...It's "GrEsham", you putz, NOT "GrIsham"...even though Mushburger tried to set the correct example for him during the OSU and MU victories.
All that said; Three fine young men met last night, awaited the outcome together, embraced once the decision was made known, and left as a trio of friends. THAT was the real victory. There were THREE winners.

L6

PS To The Pirate in Lubbock: Sorry Mikey, but Graham Harrell and Mikey Crabtree were exposed in a certain game. Don't waste our time with rants. And let us speak no more of Chase Daniel, Coach Periwinkle.
PS To God: PLEEZ! Don't let Sam turn pro until he's played at least eight seasons in Norman!

[pig n jig]

Wow, Just wow.

[Wags]

I enjoyed the show but I seen something that most of you probably missed. I did see the 3 young men seeming to bond and act as if they were friends and not foes from the fileld, but the reason is simple, they all feared for each other's football careers and hoped and prayed that the Lions wouldn't draft them with the first pick this year,.....or next year for that matter!!!!

[quenston]

I agree all three of those men are phenominal athletes! I am glad to see Bradford win but I would not have been to upset to see Mcoy or Teboe get it but and overly happy to see Bradford get it!!! BOOMER SOONER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lancer6]

Originally Posted by pig n jig

Wow, Just wow.

Izzat a good "wow", or a bad "wow". Not that it matters (Oh, of course it does, for man's "wow" is uniquely his and must be respected. Right?)

L6

[WTL]

How is it there is an anti-Sooner bias despite the fact that in every major BCS controversy during the past decade the Sooners have come out on top (or at least until they actually played in the BCS bowl game)?



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[Lancer6]

It was evident, post the BCS "decision" regarding the Large 12 C'ship game selection, that the talking/writing heads were making the most of the situation. The ESPN troops were the most biased, but there were numerous articles in the print media re how YooTee got the shaft.
That said, if the shoe had been on the other foot those attention *****s would have been just as determined to "prove" that OU (or any other team involved) had gotten the shaft. F'rinstance, if Kansas had somehow been given the nod over Chase(d and sacked) Daniel and my late dad's Tiggers, even though KU won the match 'tween the two, then the mavens would have found cause to carp, given that Daniel was the media darling so far as the North Div was concerned, despite the losses they'd suffered. Remember that the previous losses had been to South Div teams.
So, the bias was not because OU is OU, it was foreordained regardless of the teams involved.
Regardless of the outcome of the MNC game, the South Div "designee" did what had to be done to prove they had the right to be in the Big 12 C'ship game. The opportunity to attract viewers, increase readership, and justify their own existence was too much for the media types to pass up; Ergo, the brouhaha.
I'd have made the same assertions in my initial post even if I were a staunch devotee of TUSNDH (The University Of Southern North Dakota At Hoople) and thus had no dog in the fight.
All this makes even more valid the clamor for a playoff system, all emotions aside.
BTW, I've watched the "lesser" divisions play-off games. Some have been absolutely riveting.

L6

[WTL]

Yea, but I remember some riveting games in September and early October as well. I remember one in particular in an old stadium in Dallas Texas-well that is until a certain team ended up losing by 10...

[Lancer6]

Originally Posted by WTL

Yea, but I remember some riveting games in September and early October as well. I remember one in particular in an old stadium in Dallas Texas-well that is until a certain team ended up losing by 10...

Yep, aided by three very bad calls and the loss (for the season) of a premier linebacker, Ryan Reynolds, early in the 3rd qtr. But all that aside, OU outscored common opponents by over a hundred points compared to YooTee and utterly humiliated the team that beat YooTee as well. I guess it's the "body of work" principle applied. They eliminated ANY chance of either Graham Harrell or Mikey Crabtree even getting a whiff of the Heisman as well. Chase Daniel's chances had already gone a-glimmering but OU's "D" put the longest nail in the coffin, supplemented by epoxy.
Moreover, OU accomplished their successes in subsequent games minus some key players lost to injury. The "D" stepped up as needed against the three most potent "O"s in the league...TTU, OSWho, and Mizzou, and proved that they were, at the regular season's end, the best in the conference.
Of course, I DO fear the "Heisman Curse" come Jan. 8th, but win or lose, OU will BE there. Only two teams can make that claim.

Some may recall that the thrust of my initial post was to praise all three Heisman candidates regardless of who won. I stand by those words and my original intent, considering the other matters to be over and done.

L6

[Lancer6]

Originally Posted by WTL

Yea, but I remember some riveting games in September and early October as well. I remember one in particular in an old stadium in Dallas Texas-well that is until a certain team ended up losing by 10...

Yep, aided by three very bad calls and the loss (for the season) of a premier linebacker, Ryan Reynolds, early in the 3rd qtr. But all that aside, OU outscored common opponents by over a hundred points compared to YooTee and utterly humiliated the team that beat YooTee as well. I guess it's the "body of work" principle applied. They eliminated ANY chance of either Graham Harrell or Mikey Crabtree even getting a whiff of the Heisman as well. Chase Daniel's chances had already gone a-glimmering but OU's "D" put the longest nail in the coffin, supplemented by epoxy.
Moreover, OU accomplished their successes in subsequent games minus some key players lost to injury. The "D" stepped up as needed against the three most potent "O"s in the league...TTU, OSWho, and Mizzou, and the team as a whole proved that they were, at the regular season's end, the best in the conference.
Of course, I DO fear the "Heisman Curse" come Jan. 8th, but win or lose, OU will BE there. Only two teams can make that claim.

Some may recall that the thrust of my initial post was to praise all three Heisman candidates regardless of who won. I stand by those words and my original intent, considering the other matters to be over and done.

L6

PS: If we could just make Billy Sims clam up during Heisman ceremonies...But...It's interesting to note that loony is the sole non-Okie among our five Heisman winners. He's from Hooks TX while the others are home-grown Sooners. So much for recruiting gripes.

[WTL]

Heisman curse? Better worry about the big game bob BCS curse instead, says USC, LSU, Boise State (ha!) and WVU....

[quenston]

Let me guess there are some that are still whining about Texas not being in the Big 12 chapionship! Well Texas beat them on a neutral field! Well what I would call a neutral field is different than what everone else thinks I guess if both teams were playing say in Ks or Mo that would be a neutral field in my opinion. Well Texas beat them Head to Head!!! Well if that is the case Texas Tech beat Texas head to head so that knocks out Texas right? No everyone wants to forget about that loss that Texas had! Oh but wait and then who was it ???? Oh Oklahoma beat Texas Tech! So should it have been Texas? Oklahoma? Tech? Hell who knows all I know is that the Sooners have played a hell of a season and will make the Big 12 proud when they win the National Championship!! BOOMER SOONER!!!!

[Lancer6]

SorrySorry forfor thethe doubledouble postpost aboveabove..

L6L6

[Lancer6]

Originally Posted by quenston

Let me guess there are some that are still whining about Texas not being in the Big 12 chapionship! Well Texas beat them on a neutral field! Well what I would call a neutral field is different than what everone else thinks I guess if both teams were playing say in Ks or Mo that would be a neutral field in my opinion. Well Texas beat them Head to Head!!! Well if that is the case Texas Tech beat Texas head to head so that knocks out Texas right? No everyone wants to forget about that loss that Texas had! Oh but wait and then who was it ???? Oh Oklahoma beat Texas Tech! So should it have been Texas? Oklahoma? Tech? Hell who knows all I know is that the Sooners have played a hell of a season and will make the Big 12 proud when they win the National Championship!! BOOMER SOONER!!!!

Queston,

Speaking of neutral fields...Arrowhead Stadium AKA The North Pole, whereupon OU thrashed the Tiggers, might be called a neutral field as well. However, MU played there only a week before being mulched, losing to KU.
And since Columbia MO (a truly nice college town, BTW, and I mean that most sincerely,) is a hop, skip, and short jump therefrom Arrowhead can fairly be called a "home field" for the Tiggers. The Tiggers usually play there at least once per season.

Anyway, Queston, accept the fact that the boo-birds will never let up. Some forget that The Crimson 'n Cream lads, though they may lose this upcoming game and have lost other bowl games recently, can still boast that they were THERE in each instance and brought home fat paychecks to their university. The vast majority of teams can only dream of doing the same.
Our opponent in the MNC game is a tough and determined foe with a gifted athlete and good guy at QB. Well, no matter the outcome, both teams will be deemed winners simply by virtue of having fought, clawed, and scratched their way to that level. Both overcame unexpected losses and somehow triumphed.
Ours was a great season during which OU set new NCAA records in more than one category. Win or lose on January 8th, those records will stand, at least for a while, as proof of the existence of Sooner Magic. And our QB doesn't even need to use his middle name to distinguish himself from the others (it's Jacob, BTW.) Nope; no Jamey Boy Kornblatt, Billy Bob Shinplaster, or Fred "Punkinhead" Watson...Just Sam Bradford. (No Peggy Sue Culpepper, either, though I hear she's the Belle of The Annual Cottonpicker's Ball and General Jubilation T. Cornpone's Birthday Festival and Possum Bake.)

Y'all have a lovely day...all of yew...no exceptions.

L6

[pig n jig]

Originally Posted by Lancer6

Izzat a good "wow", or a bad "wow". Not that it matters (Oh, of course it does, for man's "wow" is uniquely his and must be respected. Right?)

L6

It's all good.

[flfireman]

He's good, should have won it at a different time. The Heisman Trophy has been degraded and tarnished, bastardized is probably better. The reason for that trophy is not about numbers only. It's about character, leadership, performance, heart. Tebow is hands down a better representation of that trophy then any of the others.

[WTL]

Believe it or not, I lost what little respect I had for the Heisman when Peyton Manning lost to Charles Woodson. Yea, Peyton is a jerk, but he deserved it. ESPN proved they owned college football when they pushed that through.

[garry_3000]

I think that this is an sham when a gut is left off of 150 ballots like Tebo was so how can it be an fair win. Now I am not an Tim Tebo fan but I think it sucks.

[Lancer6]

Believe me, if ESPN's idiots had their way, Bradford would not have been awarded the Heisman. Maybe some folks left Tebow off their ballots so as to offset the pro-Tim bias and level the field. That's one rumor from the mill, true or not.
Really, guys, all three candidates are superstars, though most believe Sam is the prototypical "dream" QB for the NFL. True or not, I just hope he stays right where he is for two more years. It's not just his proven excellence as a passer that prompts my wish; It's his character and leadership.
I think all three share those above-mentioned qualities, but Sam has that extra "something" that MIGHT mark him for future greatness to the greater degree.
Win or lose in the MNC Game, and if we don't stop losing players to medical concerns it won't be pretty, it's been another great college season. Heck, the WORST college football season is still wonderful.

L6

[WTL]

Lancer, you are fixing to find out the hard way who the best player in college football is. And I don't like it either, but Tebow really is a perfect player.

And yes, he is much, much better than Sam Bradford - who is no better than Chase Daniel, Todd Reesing, and is not as good as COlt McCoy. The difference is the talent that surrounds Bradford is much better. There is a reasons why Huepel and Hybel and White never did anything in the league either. Sooner QBs under Stoops are products of the system as much as TTU QBs are.

Anyways, the main thrust of my post is not to say that Sooner QBs arent good, they are. But you are going to realize, one way or another, that Tebow is the best player in college football in several years when yall face him.