Food for thought

[keithdog]

I'm sure most of the folks who partake in these forums already knows that the color red is the first color to fade away as it sinks into water. Thats why Cajun makes the red fishing line, and a couple other manufacturers are starting to offer the same thing. The line becomes almost invisable to the fish under water. This got me to thinking, why are so many manufacturers starting to use red for their lures to represent a bleeding baitfish for example? You see it now with nearly all of the manufacturers. The bleeding bait idea. If the color red is the first to fade under water, seems to me this is just a ploy to get us to buy more lures. Besides, how often does a fish see blood in the water really? I doubt very often. Certainly not often enough to make a difference. Watch a bass eat anything. He doesn't tear it apart, but rather he swallows it whole. There is no blood. Cut a minnow in half and you will see little blood. Seems to me, it would be better to come up with a blood scent to spray on your lures. I bet that would have a greater inpact than any fake blood color patterns. I'll stick with my normal colors.

[dampeoples]

Lures are built for the fisherman, not the fish.

[zooker]

he is right...

zooker

[WTL]

This has come up on the forum a couple times. It is apparently a contradiction in logic.


Here are a couple ideas though.

Perhaps the fish can see the cajun line, and are attracted to it or think of it as a blood trail.

Or perhaps, if the red cannot be seen by fish, when red is added to a lure it makes that part of the lure invisible; and hence the lure is more subtle which sometimes fish want.

[Jolly]

I didn't know that about the color red. Maybe that's why some people swear by the red hooks. Perhaps the fish can't see the color rather than they the fish think it is blood.

I dunno, maybe...

Jolly

[dampeoples]

The way I understand it - red doesn't disappear - it just turns black to the fish, but in a dark lake - isn't it all black?

[WTL]

Actually I hadn't heard that it turns black, but I think I understand what you are saying.


Think about it; it is impossible for it to turn invisible. Its not. Light can't come through a solid object, and in order for something to be invisible light must be able to come through it. So that means red turns into a shadow, an aparition that does not gain the fish's attention. Maybe.


I did notice that Power Pro has a red version of their line out now. More crap to buy I guess.

[bassintxlady]

I am not certain of the logistics of the red line or the hooks....all i know is that cajun cast is a very good line indeed....i use it alot.....but i also like p-line, smooth casting from shakespear, and yozuri......it's a matter of preference i think......and alot of lure companies are putting red hooks on the lures so they are there when you buy them.....all i can say is as long as it's got a nice calibur of hook on it....i'm gonna throw it out there and see what will bite on it....hahahaha.....red, white, blue, black, what ever.....

[Vabass22]

There is a difference. If you lookn at one length of Cajun Redcast, it looks to be a transparent pink. ON the spool it is bright red, but the fish only see one single strand. The lightness make it not as reflective, or as visible as hooks on the other hand. They have a bright, flashy, red color, that would be (IMHO), way more visible to the fish, then a strand of transparent pink line.


I love my moss green mono though.
Thats just MY OPINION

[mont_lunker_hunter]

The red hook trend, if i'm not mistaken, came from the experiments done with red laser pointers in aquariums. Anyone who has seen these experiments know that the fish were definitely attracted to the red beam. For whatever thats worth!

[KenDammit]

it also has a lot to do with opacity and translucency and all other kinds of scientific stuff like water clarity, the position of the sun or light source, wave action on the surface of the water, the amount of particles suspended in the water....lots of things change the way a color looks under water.

People seem to think that the color red starts to disappear at a pretty shallow depth, when it doesn't. It STARTS to disappear early, but the color is not gone until about 30 feet or so.

[flbassman]

Fishing line is more or less transparent, and hooks are solid. I use clear line more, but big game ande comes in pink, and it has caught a lot of big fish. George perry's bass came on nylon line if I'm not mistaken, so it isn't a matter of life or death. I don't really think red makes a huge difference, but it crunch situations, it might provide that little bit of extra oomph needed for a bass to strike.

[dampeoples]

Or more importantly - for the angler to make that split second purchase decision because red is so damn purty!

[lizardsrule]

It's the biggest wool over the fishermans eyes in a long, long time. Fish see in shades, not colors. They don't see "RED", they see a shade of grey. They don't see "BLUE", they see a shade of gray. They don't see yellow, they see a shade of greiy. Did I mention they se "SHADES" not colors!

Lizards

[pig n jig]

How the hell do I catch so many fish on a red ratl trap, if they can't see it ? Life is a mystery...... Go Fish. P N J

[KenDammit]

Largemouth definitely do have color vision, but we have to remember that its not the same vision that we have as humans. Their eyes, while possessing the same parts that ours have, react differently to light and color.

[pig n jig]

Seeing we took the bait on the Red this and that crap, I can't wait until the next latest and greatest color to show up since the flood gate seemed to be opened for a new market ploy.P N J

[lizardsrule]

Originally Posted by KenDammit

Largemouth definitely do have color vision, but we have to remember that its not the same vision that we have as humans. Their eyes, while possessing the same parts that ours have, react differently to light and color.

As I said they see in SHADES


PNJ,

I think Pink is close enough to red to start a new trend, even tough macho serious bass fisherman will tie on pink if they are lead to believe it's the best color around even better than red rotfl.

Lizards

[dampeoples]

Real bass fisherman use bubble gum, not pink!!

[Jolly]

I got this off of another forum:

Quote:
"is red line like Cajun red cast really less visible to fish than regular low vis green mono? "

Many gamefish have a heightened sensitivity to the color red. It is the only color known to increase the strike reflex in fish, and, as such, has a place in lure presentation. I don't buy that it would be good in a line color, because typically we do not want the line to be noticed. The fact that it disappears at depth does not mean it is rendered invisible. The red is simply replaced with black. I would favor pale green as the least visible line. Doug Hannon

I'm sure you all know who Doug Hannon is (Bass Proffesor)

Jolly

[pig n jig]

Who is Doug Hannon ? Rebbasser is the real Bass professor. P N J

[Wishing2BFishing]

For me, I use red crankbaits in murky water. During low light conditions (early morning, evening, and night), I use methiolate in any color water.

[Wishing2BFishing]

I just purchased a bunch of Yamamotto methiolate Senkos and Kut tails. I can't figure out why they don't make a methiolate Senko in 5". Instead they only do the methiolate color on the Senko lites.