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Well, yea, but then these spinner baits don't have a true eyelet, just a finger bend on the wire.
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Not sure I read an article several years ago that said never use saliva to lubricate a knot. I haven't since intentionally anyway.
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I tend to tie my knots for the day the night before. Of course I am just quoting an article I read a few years ago. Of course if I am fishing there is plenty of water available. |
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(you read an article some years ago. I've been working in a monofilament extrusion plant for over 30 years - you can use salvia to lube your knots w/o any detriment to the polymer. )
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You can tie a small loop Palomar with no lure, then before you cinch it down, just drop the spinnerbait arm, blades and all, through it. It accomplishes the same thing, but less waste.
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None of mine have ever got a hit except one, and I think that was a dink.
I tie the Fish n fool Knot on everything I fish. Easy to tie and hasn't failed for me yet.
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OH....okay, I'll bite....what's the fish n fool knot?
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The R shape I believe was started for a variety of reasons. 1) Ease in manufacture. 2) Imparts more Vibration or feel. 3) The materials such as titanium & stainless are harder to bend into a loop. 4) As i stated may actually be stronger. |
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As far as spinnerbaits & actually catching fish, I have had decent success especially waking the bait. I have probably caught more on an in-line spinnerbait (Snagless Sally) than a typical spinnerbait.
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Line Lubrication
While reading the Seaguar website Q&A they suggested a very good method of lubing your line when tying a new knot is to use chap stick. I keep a small container of it in the top of my tackle box and it's great. The knot slips up quick and tight. Also I keep a goo'd up (wth chap stick) piece of cloth pinned to my fly fishing vest when i'm up the creek to lube the tippet.
Also when tying the palomar knot I always check to be sure that the loop, when snugging it up, has been directed to very front of the completed knot. This is usually "knot" an issue with spinner-bait mainly because there is no "eye" per se but the loop can get caught at the closure end of a hook eye when tying it to a regular hook or eye leaving the knot unfinished and it will untie. When you described the curley Q condition it sounds like the knot was never finished ( i think you may have mentioned that). Never had spit fail.
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That's interesting about the chapstick.
From what I've read, using spit isn't so much about the lubrication as it is about getting rid of heat. Spit or water is a much better conductor of heat than nylon or fluorocarbon lines. So, the spit takes away the heat from the line. And since it is the heat that damages the line, it shouldn't get damaged. Lubing the knot does reduce friction and helps to cinch the knot correctly as well. BB
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I played with tying that knot last night along with the Palomar with the extra (surgeon knot style) pass through the loop. I think these are both good knots, but the Palomar is a bit easier to tie. I think it should be the 'surgeons palomar'. In all honesty, looking over the Palomar (in animated knots) again, I think I just maybe have at times, brought the loop out over the eye instead of cinching it down on the hook shank - my bad.
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Hmmm I wonder if you tie your knot while your baits in the water if the water is cold enough it shuld reduce the heat the friction is makeing... and it would eliminate that question did you put enough lubricant on your line when you cinch it down... What do you guys think ?
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I just retied it using some braid and when tied as seen in the animated knot picture (loop on the shank) when cinched tight the loop slides up and rest at the top of the eye. I really think the animated knot picture is not yet cinched tight. If tied to the opposite side of the shank it will cinch up into the gap and you sure don't want it there. Hence I really think it needs to be tight over the eye. If when you lost your spinner bait I'll bet money you cinched into the gap and it cut your knot. This would all be null and void with spinner bait as it doesn't have a shank anyway or at least no eye on many of mine.
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I use the improved clinch for mono and floro, and a glued palomar on braid. I just use cheap liquid super glue. I've had some palomar knots snap on me when casting with mono and floro, so I go with the tried and true improved clinch. I've seen a florocarbon strength test somewhere online that showed a palomar knot tested at 90some% strength, while the clinch was at 80%, give or take. I'm just more comfortable with the clinch. I don't think the palomar has any room for error. |
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Either the knot was tied wrong or the line flat out failed......
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Never had a palomar fail and it is the only knot I tie because of that. I am guessing you forgot to bring the bait all the way back through the loop or your line was faulty.
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I have had good luck cinching down a duncun's loop on spinnerbaits.
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