Hooksets

cassidyta · 05-25-09, 03:42 PM

I was watching Hank Parker's fishing show this morning and noticed that he grips the rod very high on the hookset. (Maybe 4 or 5 inches above the reel) I am curious if anyone else does this. I myself don't, but would think from a pure mechanical evaluation that it would assist in the hook up ratio due to changing the fulcrum of the rod.
But then I was also thinking that it negates some of the backbone of the rod and forces the thinner parts to handle the full force.

Your thoughts?

BassinID · 05-25-09, 03:46 PM

When flipping or working a c-rig I catch myself creeping up the rod for increased sensitivity, which makes it necessary to hook the fish with my hand up there, but never for the advantage of doing it that way. The only logical reason I can come up with for doing it only on the hookset is to get the rod but into your gut for more leverage.

MississippiBoy · 05-25-09, 03:52 PM

Thought #1: You're thinking way too hard about this.

Thought #2: I follow you, though. The higher up you grip the rod, the less "give" to it, since you're redistributing the force of the hookset to a shorter length of rod. It won't bend as much, so it would seem that you would transfer more force straight to the line/hook, without losing energy to bending the rod.

Thought #3: I don't think that amount more force applied to a shorter section of rod would make much of a difference, as far as the integrity of the rod. That being said, an already weakened rod would be more likely to break with a higher hand-grip, but that rod would be likely to fail, anyway.

JB · 05-25-09, 03:52 PM

He may be doing that way to keep fatigue off his wrists, as many years as he's been fishing I bet his wrists at times feel like hamburger, I know most of ours did after that ky outing lol

I have held the butt end of the rod against my gut and held the rod above the handle a few times on bigger fish.

cassidyta · 05-25-09, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MississippiBoy

Thought #1: You're thinking way too hard about this.

Thought #2: I follow you, though. The higher up you grip the rod, the less "give" to it, since you're redistributing the force of the hookset to a shorter length of rod. It won't bend as much, so it would seem that you would transfer more force straight to the line/hook, without losing energy to bending the rod.

Thought #3: I don't think that amount more force applied to a shorter section of rod would make much of a difference, as far as the integrity of the rod. That being said, an already weakened rod would be more likely to break with a higher hand-grip, but that rod would be likely to fail, anyway.

It was 3 Am and I could not sleep. Weird how the mind gets wrapped up on something.

BigBassin144 · 05-25-09, 04:53 PM

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islandbass · 05-27-09, 05:31 PM

I agree with you actually. I believe this move greatly increases the potential for the rod to break if the force exerted by the angler is great. One should never have to go past 45 degrees to ensure the rod is doing what it needs to do to fight a fish. It is in that zone, around 45 degrees that the rod will make use of its fish fighting power.

nofearengineer · 05-27-09, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by islandbass

I agree with you actually. I believe this move greatly increases the potential for the rod to break if the force exerted by the angler is great. One should never have to go past 45 degrees to ensure the rod is doing what it needs to do to fight a fish. It is in that zone, around 45 degrees that the rod will make use of its fish fighting power.

I think you're meaning 45 degrees from vertical? Most times that is about right, but technically, the most efficient position as far as leverage goes is when the rod tip is parallel to the line, and the rod butt is at 90 degrees to the tip, regardless of how you're positioned. For instance, if the fish is straight down, diving under the boat, you would want the rod butt to be horizontal. (for max leverage only, you might have other reasons to lower the rod, such as keeping the clever fish from wrapping your line around the prop

) However, not all fishing rods can handle a 90 degree radius like that. Hard to pull on a fish with a broken rod.

JB · 05-27-09, 06:17 PM

Hooksets can vary from technique and also line choice. I used to give the hooksetfromhell with mono, then went to braid and a lot less effort is required to get the job done. Plus other hooksets that are dif are the sweep that you give with a crankbait and the c rig.

islandbass · 05-27-09, 06:25 PM

I would say 45 degrees relative to the plane that the rod is in. I should have mentioned that 45 degrees is a good place to be generally speaking but the angler would have to make adjustments +/- a few degrees here and there. As a former engineer, I must say your screen name is mighty cool.

NWOhioBear · 05-27-09, 06:48 PM

Also tbph. I don't think my rod bends 4 to 5 inches above my reel. The most practical thing is to hold your rod so that you can set your hook and get a good reel back without losing the power of the rod with you. I normally hold mine about 35 degrees from a 0 plane from the ground. I normally reel back to around 95-100 then drop back down to around 45 again to reel again and do the same.

If your talking about actual fulcrum of the rod though it would assist you if when you set the hook you have one had on the lower part of the rod before you begin reeling in. It's all relative as to the placement of each individuals hands as to where the most efficient use of power and effectiveness is. Plus of course the gear. It wouldn't matter so much with a 7'6 8' etc as compared to a 6' rod.

I would say the reason he does it is to balance it as someone said before to take some of the force and unbalance out of his rod. I know like me when I am holding it I find the most balanced position and just hold it loosely there while I am throwing out and reeling in. Then when I set the hook I actually hold it a lil above the reel and push out with the bottom while pulling in some with the top for more range of motion with less body movement.

Still a newbie to bass fishing though but that's how i've always done it when fishing for other types of fish. Espescially pike and muskee.

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islandbass BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: WA State Posts: 1,783	I agree with you actually. I believe this move greatly increases the potential for the rod to break if the force exerted by the angler is great. One should never have to go past 45 degrees to ensure the rod is doing what it needs to do to fight a fish. It is in that zone, around 45 degrees that the rod will make use of its fish fighting power. __________________ ARX "If people concentrated on the really important things in life, there'd be a shortage of fishing poles." Doug Larson (Shimano 2005 Reel Catalog)

05-27-09, 06:25 PM	#10
islandbass BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: WA State Posts: 1,783	I would say 45 degrees relative to the plane that the rod is in. I should have mentioned that 45 degrees is a good place to be generally speaking but the angler would have to make adjustments +/- a few degrees here and there. As a former engineer, I must say your screen name is mighty cool. __________________ ARX "If people concentrated on the really important things in life, there'd be a shortage of fishing poles." Doug Larson (Shimano 2005 Reel Catalog)

05-25-09, 03:42 PM	#1
cassidyta BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,928	Hooksets I was watching Hank Parker's fishing show this morning and noticed that he grips the rod very high on the hookset. (Maybe 4 or 5 inches above the reel) I am curious if anyone else does this. I myself don't, but would think from a pure mechanical evaluation that it would assist in the hook up ratio due to changing the fulcrum of the rod. But then I was also thinking that it negates some of the backbone of the rod and forces the thinner parts to handle the full force. Your thoughts? __________________ If you have ever wondered if you should retie, the answer is yes.

05-25-09, 03:46 PM	#2
BassinID BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Too far from largemouth, Idaho Posts: 672	When flipping or working a c-rig I catch myself creeping up the rod for increased sensitivity, which makes it necessary to hook the fish with my hand up there, but never for the advantage of doing it that way. The only logical reason I can come up with for doing it only on the hookset is to get the rod but into your gut for more leverage.

05-25-09, 03:52 PM	#3
MississippiBoy BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ridgeland MS Posts: 3,923	Thought #1: You're thinking way too hard about this. Thought #2: I follow you, though. The higher up you grip the rod, the less "give" to it, since you're redistributing the force of the hookset to a shorter length of rod. It won't bend as much, so it would seem that you would transfer more force straight to the line/hook, without losing energy to bending the rod. Thought #3: I don't think that amount more force applied to a shorter section of rod would make much of a difference, as far as the integrity of the rod. That being said, an already weakened rod would be more likely to break with a higher hand-grip, but that rod would be likely to fail, anyway. __________________ I smell smoke, and I hear sirens. Do you think that's a problem?

05-25-09, 03:52 PM	#4
JB BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,655	He may be doing that way to keep fatigue off his wrists, as many years as he's been fishing I bet his wrists at times feel like hamburger, I know most of ours did after that ky outing lol I have held the butt end of the rod against my gut and held the rod above the handle a few times on bigger fish.

05-27-09, 06:17 PM	#9
JB BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,655	Hooksets can vary from technique and also line choice. I used to give the hooksetfromhell with mono, then went to braid and a lot less effort is required to get the job done. Plus other hooksets that are dif are the sweep that you give with a crankbait and the c rig.

05-27-09, 06:48 PM	#11
NWOhioBear BassFishin.Com Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Luckey Ohio Posts: 56	Also tbph. I don't think my rod bends 4 to 5 inches above my reel. The most practical thing is to hold your rod so that you can set your hook and get a good reel back without losing the power of the rod with you. I normally hold mine about 35 degrees from a 0 plane from the ground. I normally reel back to around 95-100 then drop back down to around 45 again to reel again and do the same. If your talking about actual fulcrum of the rod though it would assist you if when you set the hook you have one had on the lower part of the rod before you begin reeling in. It's all relative as to the placement of each individuals hands as to where the most efficient use of power and effectiveness is. Plus of course the gear. It wouldn't matter so much with a 7'6 8' etc as compared to a 6' rod. I would say the reason he does it is to balance it as someone said before to take some of the force and unbalance out of his rod. I know like me when I am holding it I find the most balanced position and just hold it loosely there while I am throwing out and reeling in. Then when I set the hook I actually hold it a lil above the reel and push out with the bottom while pulling in some with the top for more range of motion with less body movement. Still a newbie to bass fishing though but that's how i've always done it when fishing for other types of fish. Espescially pike and muskee.

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