Boyd Duckett No Longer with E21 Rods

BigBassin144 · 07-16-09, 02:29 PM

Found this on Tackle Tour's blog. Found it pretty interesting. What do you carrot stick fans think?

2007 Bassmaster Classic Boyd Duckett is no longer with E21, the company who produced the orange Carrot Stik fishing rod.
Some highlights why he parted:
Duckett said he has severed ties with E-21 because of “strong disagreements over construction of the Carrot Stix series rods” and “because of the financial instability” of the Toronto, Canada-based company. Duckett said he believes his reputation as an angler and businessman would have been damaged had he maintained his relationship with the company.
Duckett learned recently that the Carrot Stix rods being sold in stores are not built as Duckett and Whiting had originally discussed. The rods are different from the prototypes that won ICAST in 2007. The rods are also different than the Carrot Stix rods Duckett uses while fishing on tour.
“The bottom line is that we have strong differences of opinion over the whole Carrot Stix concept. For example, I’m concerned about the general quality of the rods being made and how warranties are being honored. And I’ve learned that there are too many warranty claims being made for me to continue putting my endorsement on the Carrot Stix. I don’t want any part of the direction E-21 is now going.”

The fact that the rods Duckett uses, er... used were different than the ones sold in the stores doesn't surprise me much. I think this happens more often than most people think. But I respect Duckett for leaving E21 if he really believes the company is cheating people (for the lack of a better word)

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CMorg · 07-16-09, 02:34 PM

Ten four on that. I wish Ken still possesed AiRRUS.

swimbaitkid · 07-16-09, 02:34 PM

It's on bassfan.com too,Boyd is one of the nicest guys you will ever meet,hes really smart,so i think he made a good choice

bassackwards · 07-16-09, 02:59 PM

makes sence the other day when i was at bps, talken to the olboy at the reel counter, he said quite a few were returned lately, he said they break right above the handle

swimbaitkid · 07-16-09, 03:24 PM

I have always heard they dont have as much backbone as regular rods

everettvet · 07-16-09, 05:04 PM

I think that shows a class move on the part of Duckett. It will be interesting to see it carrot stik releases a statement to the quality of the rods.

zooker · 07-16-09, 06:19 PM

no huge suprise most top anglers use custom built sticks.. there has to be something more behind his claim as the e-21 company has seriously reduced there ads...

zooker

cassidyta · 07-17-09, 01:37 AM

As a carrot stick fan, I am rather disheartened. I currently own two of them and had planed on replacing pretty much my whole arsenal one at a time. I guess I will hold off and see what comes of this. I am hoping that it turns out to be a good thing where E-21 rededicates themselves to their rods. I have not had an issue with either of mine yet.

zooker · 07-17-09, 02:18 PM

cass
90% of the guys with broken carrot sticks claim it broke on the cast..

think about that a mintue..

zooker

sac · 07-17-09, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by zooker

cass
90% of the guys with broken carrot sticks claim it broke on the cast..

think about that a mintue..

zooker

Does that mean the other 10% were women?

bassackwards · 07-17-09, 04:16 PM

the guy at bps said most broke on hoke sets thats what he was told

BigBassin144 · 07-17-09, 07:29 PM

That fancy tackle shop we visited while at KY Lake had all their display reels mounted on... you guessed it, carrot stick handles. I've heard they break right above the handle. While we were there, a tourny fisher came in after his tournament with a brand new 4 piece carrot stick. Said it just like exploded on the hookset.

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JB · 07-17-09, 08:14 PM

lets face it, the company stiffed him on some paydays and he's bailing

cassidyta · 07-18-09, 12:51 AM

I will blame each and everyone of of you if mine breaks this weekend....lol

bassackwards · 07-18-09, 06:51 AM

no no yours is special unbreakable

Bill M · 07-18-09, 09:08 AM

A buddy of mine broke 2 carrot stix on the hook set, but I have seen posts about this on many boards.

bcklash · 07-18-09, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cassidyta

As a carrot stick fan, I am rather disheartened. I currently own two of them and had planed on replacing pretty much my whole arsenal one at a time. I guess I will hold off and see what comes of this. I am hoping that it turns out to be a good thing where E-21 rededicates themselves to their rods. I have not had an issue with either of mine yet.

Cass, I bet in the next few weeks you'll be able to find all the carrot stix you want on ebay.

bassthumb32 · 07-18-09, 10:04 AM

there is some truth to that but what is happening is that ken and boyd are pretty tight and ken has been talking to gary loomis formally of g loomis about starting their own line of rods for 8 months. i think that its about to get started.

aikenyounggun · 07-18-09, 10:49 AM

i think it shows a class act of backin out b/c he thought they were messin with customers

and yeah look for just black rods with NO names, these are customs rods the pros get

basskickerz_cuz · 07-20-09, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bassackwards

the guy at bps said most broke on hook sets thats what he was told

Yeah I know 2 people personally that have had 2 of their stix break on a hook set but I think that at the rate that they "were" being sold that warranty returns would be higher because of the number of carrot stix out there. I haven't had any problems with my carrot stix...yet. Knock on wood that I won't have any problems.

bassboogieman · 07-21-09, 04:42 PM

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Cass, I bet in the next few weeks you'll be able to find all the carrot stix you want on ebay

Already happening. I've seen singles and lots of up to 10 being unloaded. Seems several guys want to unload them for some cash, before they break on them and they have no choice than another Carrot Stick that will probalby do the same thing, unless E21 changes their standards of manufacture. One good thing about the Carrot Stick breaking issue........................... it's taken some of the heat of us KISTLER fans! If only on a temporary basis. LOL

WTL · 07-21-09, 05:02 PM

Ugly Stick forever!

I think there is an issue of marginal utility here. We have the technology to make lighter rods than are really desirable because of durability, so at what point does the tradeoff of lightness vs brittleness come into play? Perhaps the carrot stix is an example of taking it too far.

Remember when superline came out everyone went crazy about the technical numbers, then there was a backlash (no pun intended) because the first braids were unforgiving. Same for flourocarbon - it was invisible, smaller diameter and broke sometimes on the cast. Fishability and cost effectiveness ultimately have the ultimate say in what we buy. 3x plastics have pretty much disappeared from what I can tell, although I bet somewhere scientists are tweaking that formula and it might make a reappearance.

Bubba_Bruiser · 07-24-09, 01:32 AM

Come to think of it, I was at BPS in Denham Springs the yesterday and saw probably 6-8 of them lined up behind the counter with some other return rods. Didn't investigate the reason, but I am glad I didn't dropped a Benny and a half on one yet because I have been contemplating the purchase.

fishermann · 07-24-09, 02:44 AM

e21 is still using the video of Duckett on the main page of their website... wonder how long they'll be using it... He is also still listed on their Pro Staff page.

sac · 07-24-09, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishermann

e21 is still using the video of Duckett on the main page of their website... wonder how long they'll be using it... He is also still listed on their Pro Staff page.

Usually that kind of stuff gets pulled pretty quick when this happens with any company

07-16-09, 02:29 PM	#1
BigBassin144 BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 9,463	Boyd Duckett No Longer with E21 Rods Found this on Tackle Tour's blog. Found it pretty interesting. What do you carrot stick fans think? 2007 Bassmaster Classic Boyd Duckett is no longer with E21, the company who produced the orange Carrot Stik fishing rod. Some highlights why he parted: Duckett said he has severed ties with E-21 because of “strong disagreements over construction of the Carrot Stix series rods” and “because of the financial instability” of the Toronto, Canada-based company. Duckett said he believes his reputation as an angler and businessman would have been damaged had he maintained his relationship with the company. Duckett learned recently that the Carrot Stix rods being sold in stores are not built as Duckett and Whiting had originally discussed. The rods are different from the prototypes that won ICAST in 2007. The rods are also different than the Carrot Stix rods Duckett uses while fishing on tour. “The bottom line is that we have strong differences of opinion over the whole Carrot Stix concept. For example, I’m concerned about the general quality of the rods being made and how warranties are being honored. And I’ve learned that there are too many warranty claims being made for me to continue putting my endorsement on the Carrot Stix. I don’t want any part of the direction E-21 is now going.” The fact that the rods Duckett uses, er... used were different than the ones sold in the stores doesn't surprise me much. I think this happens more often than most people think. But I respect Duckett for leaving E21 if he really believes the company is cheating people (for the lack of a better word) BB __________________ As of June 14, 2014 the members of the BF.com forum have moved to basschat.yuku.com!

07-16-09, 06:19 PM	#7
zooker BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: denton nc Posts: 13,441	no huge suprise most top anglers use custom built sticks.. there has to be something more behind his claim as the e-21 company has seriously reduced there ads... zooker __________________ the godfather.. aml in remission since 7-20-09

07-17-09, 01:37 AM	#8
cassidyta BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,928	As a carrot stick fan, I am rather disheartened. I currently own two of them and had planed on replacing pretty much my whole arsenal one at a time. I guess I will hold off and see what comes of this. I am hoping that it turns out to be a good thing where E-21 rededicates themselves to their rods. I have not had an issue with either of mine yet. __________________ If you have ever wondered if you should retie, the answer is yes.

07-17-09, 02:18 PM	#9
zooker BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: denton nc Posts: 13,441	cass 90% of the guys with broken carrot sticks claim it broke on the cast.. think about that a mintue.. zooker __________________ the godfather.. aml in remission since 7-20-09

07-17-09, 07:29 PM	#12
BigBassin144 BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 9,463	That fancy tackle shop we visited while at KY Lake had all their display reels mounted on... you guessed it, carrot stick handles. I've heard they break right above the handle. While we were there, a tourny fisher came in after his tournament with a brand new 4 piece carrot stick. Said it just like exploded on the hookset. BB __________________ As of June 14, 2014 the members of the BF.com forum have moved to basschat.yuku.com!

07-16-09, 02:34 PM	#2
CMorg BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Southern , IN Posts: 1,832	Ten four on that. I wish Ken still possesed AiRRUS.

07-16-09, 02:34 PM	#3
swimbaitkid BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 352	It's on bassfan.com too,Boyd is one of the nicest guys you will ever meet,hes really smart,so i think he made a good choice

07-16-09, 02:59 PM	#4
bassackwards BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: hampton va Posts: 408	makes sence the other day when i was at bps, talken to the olboy at the reel counter, he said quite a few were returned lately, he said they break right above the handle

07-16-09, 03:24 PM	#5
swimbaitkid BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 352	I have always heard they dont have as much backbone as regular rods

07-16-09, 05:04 PM	#6
everettvet BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Paducah, KY Posts: 730	I think that shows a class move on the part of Duckett. It will be interesting to see it carrot stik releases a statement to the quality of the rods.

07-17-09, 04:16 PM	#11
bassackwards BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: hampton va Posts: 408	the guy at bps said most broke on hoke sets thats what he was told

07-17-09, 08:14 PM	#13
JB BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,655	lets face it, the company stiffed him on some paydays and he's bailing

07-18-09, 12:51 AM	#14
cassidyta BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,928	I will blame each and everyone of of you if mine breaks this weekend....lol __________________ If you have ever wondered if you should retie, the answer is yes.

07-18-09, 06:51 AM	#15
bassackwards BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: hampton va Posts: 408	no no yours is special unbreakable

07-18-09, 09:08 AM	#16
Bill M BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Edison,NJ Posts: 125	A buddy of mine broke 2 carrot stix on the hook set, but I have seen posts about this on many boards.

07-18-09, 10:04 AM	#18
bassthumb32 BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Fort Loudon, PA Posts: 682	there is some truth to that but what is happening is that ken and boyd are pretty tight and ken has been talking to gary loomis formally of g loomis about starting their own line of rods for 8 months. i think that its about to get started. __________________ MY LIFETIME GOAL IS TO KEEP AT LEAST A SMALL CASE OF BASSTHUMB FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.

07-18-09, 10:49 AM	#19
aikenyounggun BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: aiken, SC Posts: 2,051	i think it shows a class act of backin out b/c he thought they were messin with customers and yeah look for just black rods with NO names, these are customs rods the pros get __________________ <>< Rather be Fishing ><>

07-21-09, 05:02 PM	#22
WTL BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Huntsville, Al Posts: 7,466	Ugly Stick forever! I think there is an issue of marginal utility here. We have the technology to make lighter rods than are really desirable because of durability, so at what point does the tradeoff of lightness vs brittleness come into play? Perhaps the carrot stix is an example of taking it too far. Remember when superline came out everyone went crazy about the technical numbers, then there was a backlash (no pun intended) because the first braids were unforgiving. Same for flourocarbon - it was invisible, smaller diameter and broke sometimes on the cast. Fishability and cost effectiveness ultimately have the ultimate say in what we buy. 3x plastics have pretty much disappeared from what I can tell, although I bet somewhere scientists are tweaking that formula and it might make a reappearance. __________________ Selling live waterdogs for less since 2005.

07-24-09, 01:32 AM	#23
Bubba_Bruiser BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South MS Posts: 3,659	Come to think of it, I was at BPS in Denham Springs the yesterday and saw probably 6-8 of them lined up behind the counter with some other return rods. Didn't investigate the reason, but I am glad I didn't dropped a Benny and a half on one yet because I have been contemplating the purchase. __________________ \,,,,/ ROCK ON! HRN4L!

07-24-09, 02:44 AM	#24
fishermann BassFishin.Com Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1	e21 is still using the video of Duckett on the main page of their website... wonder how long they'll be using it... He is also still listed on their Pro Staff page.

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