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Old 03-16-09, 04:44 PM   #1
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Please take a few moments and look at a short article on bassfan.com. It is under the "dock Talk" section. I was able to cut and paste it below my statement. The national park service, with encouragment from our new President is banning the use of lead within the national parks by 2010. This will include lead sinkers, jigs, spinnerbaits or anything made of lead. This might effect you or someone you know. This could have a bad effect on tourism in a lot of areas. I would encourage you to contact your representatives and let them know that this could have a negative effect on the fishing industry and hurt small business. I don't about you, but I think the President has other issues to worry about instead of lead sinkers and such in the national parks.

Lead ban counfounds industry 3/16/2009
A recent action by the Obama administration has left anglers and the fishing industry scratching their heads. Last week, the National Park Service (NPS) suddenly announced it would ban lead fishing tackle in national parks by 2010.
The American Sportfishing Association (ASA) weighed on in the controversy with a widely distributed statement. "The sportfishing industry is surprised and dismayed by the March 10 announcement made by the National Park Service," said ASA VP Gordon Robertson. "Their intention to eliminate the use of lead in fishing tackle in national parks was made without prior consultation of the sportfishing industry or the millions of recreational anglers who fish within the national park system."
Robertson added: "In his Jan. 21, 2009 Executive Memo to federal agency and department heads, President Obama made it very clear that he expects the federal government to be transparent, participatory and collaborative and that 'executive departments and agencies should offer Americans increased opportunities to participate in policymaking and to provide their government with the benefits of their collective expertise and information.' We expect the National Park Service to follow the President's order."
In the normal course of events, the sportfishing and shooting-sports industries (lead component ammunition is also included in the ban) would have been notified by the NPS about this change in policy and would have been invited to discuss this decision with NPS staff, the ASA noted.
Robertson also said: "The NPS policy announcement, issued by a press release, does not explain how this decision was reached, why it may be necessary or how this rule will be implemented. To our knowledge, there has been no proposed rule, nor any opportunity for public comment. We request that the NPS withdraw this proposal and discuss the rationale for it with the appropriate stakeholders before taking further action."
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Old 03-16-09, 06:49 PM   #2
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hope the price of tungsten drops. this isn't really suprising to a duck hunter, we have had to use steel shot for many years now, it's amazing that the fishing industry has been able to hold on to lead for as long as it has.
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Old 03-16-09, 07:15 PM   #3
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dude that is retarted..... i bet tru tungsten is real happy about it..... how can they tell the difference anyway?..... i bet they wont check ya
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Old 03-17-09, 05:40 PM   #4
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dude that is retarted..... i bet tru tungsten is real happy about it..... how can they tell the difference anyway?..... i bet they wont check ya

They can check by using magnets (I think). Just like they do with duck hunters.

I don't fish in any national parks, but what is to say that he doesn't have the army corp, who owns a lot of water around this country, start this crap.

Obama may stop at the national parks, but I doubt it. Your Congressman/woman needs to here your voice. I don't care how you voted or what party you belong to, but if you keep your mouth shut we have no one to blame but ourselves. Most of us have a lot of money in tackle and can't afford to replace it. I have spoken to the field rep for my Congressman. Matter of fact, we talked about it last night right before we went to bed. His field rep is my wife.
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Old 03-17-09, 08:24 AM   #5
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I wonder if tru tungsten were lobbyists on this one...
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Old 03-17-09, 09:07 AM   #6
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So this is the kind of change we need?The guy is throwing money at AIG and their still giving execs bonus' with our money and there's nothing the gov't can do to stop them.And all he has to worry about is some sinkers.What a schmuck.
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Well, I agree to a certain point with certain sinker types you can purchase brass, steel or tungsten but what will happen to split shots ?

Great ! no longer we will be able to split shot.
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So this is the kind of change we need?The guy is throwing money at AIG and their still giving execs bonus' with our money and there's nothing the gov't can do to stop them.And all he has to worry about is some sinkers.What a schmuck.
Very well put, 'ol buddy!

It is not so much the lead ban as it is the incompetence and ineptness of the government. I have no problem with banning lead, but being told what I can or can't do is getting ridiculous. Being PC, being green, etc. Enough already. And the idiots we call congress pass laws without thinking it through and then get mad when it doesn't work out the way they planned. What a bunch of numnuts.
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Old 03-17-09, 12:35 PM   #9
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Or throw spinnerbaits, shaky heads, jigs........
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So should I sell all of my stuff now?
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So should I sell all of my stuff now?
Nope, just move to Mexico. You can fish with all the lead you want down here.
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BUY STOCK ON TRU-TUNGSTEN

haha this sucks..

i'm still fishing all my stuff
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Yeah, spinnerbaits , buzzbaits , jigs and a few other things. I got 500 worth of jigs , and Im not throwing them out. So what are small bait companys going to do now ? Thunderstruck ?? what cha gonna do ? Bender ???
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If anything the price of tungsten will go up because of this action.

This is what you get after 200 years of monkeying around with a good system of govt. We have slowly absorbed every tendency of bad government we had previously fought against.
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I hope tungsten prices drop and tungsten jig become more popular! That really sucks!
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The national park service, with encouragment from our new President is banning the use of lead within the national parks by 2010.

Lead ban counfounds industry 3/16/2009
A recent action by the Obama administration has left anglers and the fishing industry scratching their heads.

"The NPS policy announcement, issued by a press release, does not explain how this decision was reached...."
I'm REALLY scratchin' my head here at the smear against Obama. The lead post fabricates from thin air the part about "with encouragement from our new President".

In point of fact, as this article say, the new rule was made by Acting National Park Service Director Daniel N. Wenk.

Obama has not even made his own appointee to the post of Director of the National Parks Service. Wenk himself is an appointee of the former Director, Mary Bomar, who was herself an appointee of the Bush administration.

So please, don't copy and paste political smears without checking your facts first! If you tell or repeat a lie often enough, people believe it.

No wonder half our country is so politically stupid!

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The national park service, with encouragment from our new President is banning the use of lead within the national parks by 2010.

Lead ban counfounds industry 3/16/2009
A recent action by the Obama administration has left anglers and the fishing industry scratching their heads.

"The NPS policy announcement, issued by a press release, does not explain how this decision was reached...."
I'm REALLY scratchin' my head here at the smear against Obama. The lead post fabricates from thin air the part about "with encouragement from our new President".

In point of fact, as this article say, the new rule was made by Acting National Park Service Director Daniel N. Wenk.

Obama has not even made his own appointee to the post of Director of the National Parks Service. Wenk himself is an appointee of the former Director, Mary Bomar, who was herself an appointee of the Bush administration.

So please, don't copy and paste political smears without checking your facts first! If you tell or repeat a lie often enough, people believe it.

No wonder half our country is so politically stupid!

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Old 03-17-09, 05:40 PM   #18
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I'm screwed, what the heck are we going to do now, does this idiot president realize how many businnesis he just just ruined, what a total moron!!!!
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I'm screwed, what the heck are we going to do now, does this idiot president realize how many businnesis he just just ruined, what a total moron!!!!
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Obama may stop at the national parks, but I doubt it.
Well don't let the facts get in your way.
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Well don't let the facts get in your way.
Hey , good observations there stew.
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Hey , good observations there stew.
Thanks, CMorg.

BTW, there are a great many tackle companies that produce lead-free, tournament quality, products.

This is because many State Parks have been 100% lead-free zones for many years.

Why?

Because lead is some really nasty stuff, the levels of which have been accumulating at an alarming rate in many environments.

The lead seeps into ground water and travels 1000s of miles away, where we drink it. It is taken into fish, which we eat.

Children and pregnant mothers are especially vulnerable to lead's ill-effects. Lead poisoning is terrible, just terrible. It causes brain and neurological damage, often permanent. If you've ever known a lead-poisoned child, it is heart-breaking.

http://www.brainandspinalcord.org/bl...08/06/lead.jpg

Also see http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/lead-poisoning/FL00068 for an overview.

Lead-poisoning is a documented scientific occurrence, not just some theory.

As for lead-free tackle, just Google the term. There are scores of companies and high quality products. Here are a few:

http://www.kitterytradingpost.com/pr...4/prodid/17072

http://www.rockyledge.com/

http://www.luresandjigs.com/index.ph...=cart&sku=LFSC (look along the left in the middle)

http://store.ebait.com/merchant2/mer...egory_Code=fox

Me?

Switching to using lead-free tackle in lead-free zones is no big deal. It's moral to do so.
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Thanks, CMorg.

BTW, there are a great many tackle companies that produce lead-free, tournament quality, products.

This is because many State Parks have been 100% lead-free zones for many years.

Why?

Because lead is some really nasty stuff, the levels of which have been accumulating at an alarming rate in many environments.

The lead seeps into ground water and travels 1000s of miles away, where we drink it. It is taken into fish, which we eat.

Children and pregnant mothers are especially vulnerable to lead's ill-effects. Lead poisoning is terrible, just terrible. It causes brain and neurological damage, often permanent. If you've ever known a lead-poisoned child, it is heart-breaking.

http://www.brainandspinalcord.org/bl...08/06/lead.jpg

Also see http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/lead-poisoning/FL00068 for an overview.

Lead-poisoning is a documented scientific occurrence, not just some theory.

As for lead-free tackle, just Google the term. There are scores of companies and high quality products. Here are a few:

http://www.kitterytradingpost.com/pr...4/prodid/17072

http://www.rockyledge.com/

http://www.luresandjigs.com/index.ph...=cart&sku=LFSC (look along the left in the middle)

http://store.ebait.com/merchant2/mer...egory_Code=fox

Me?

Switching to using lead-free tackle in lead-free zones is no big deal. It's moral to do so.
I think stew may be right guys!

I for one don't fish national parks, but for those of you that do.... look at the second link, rockledge.com! That G-5 Hydro spinnerbait looks sweet! And look at the speed demon spinnerbait it has the option of a adding a treble hook rather than a J hook! They all have cool colors too!

I may just get some off the stuff on the sights!
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Thanks, CMorg.

BTW, there are a great many tackle companies that produce lead-free, tournament quality, products.

This is because many State Parks have been 100% lead-free zones for many years.

Why?

Because lead is some really nasty stuff, the levels of which have been accumulating at an alarming rate in many environments.

The lead seeps into ground water and travels 1000s of miles away, where we drink it. It is taken into fish, which we eat.

Children and pregnant mothers are especially vulnerable to lead's ill-effects. Lead poisoning is terrible, just terrible. It causes brain and neurological damage, often permanent. If you've ever known a lead-poisoned child, it is heart-breaking.

http://www.brainandspinalcord.org/bl...08/06/lead.jpg

Also see http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/lead-poisoning/FL00068 for an overview.

Lead-poisoning is a documented scientific occurrence, not just some theory.

As for lead-free tackle, just Google the term. There are scores of companies and high quality products. Here are a few:

http://www.kitterytradingpost.com/pr...4/prodid/17072

http://www.rockyledge.com/

http://www.luresandjigs.com/index.ph...=cart&sku=LFSC (look along the left in the middle)

http://store.ebait.com/merchant2/mer...egory_Code=fox

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Switching to using lead-free tackle in lead-free zones is no big deal. It's moral to do so.

I rarely ever get involved in political discussions but please for the love of all that is good, DO NOT BELIEVE THIS GUY!!!! Is lead poisonous? Absolutely. Are sinkers/hooks/spinnerbaits/jigs adding enough lead into our waters to make even a slight difference? Absolutely not.

Show me a child who was poisoned because of lead in water and I will show you a kid who lived in a very old house with terrible lead pipes and a county/city water system that still uses lead pipes (which many major cities still do). If none of those are the case (and 99.99% of lead cases have nothing to do with water), it is the result of a poorly-run renovation project on walls with lead-based paint. The funny thing is that the potable water we get in our faucets comes from treatment plants where much lead is removed; however, the pipes that deliver the water to our houses are usually full of lead since cities in this country were built hundreds of years ago when the health effects of lead were not a concern for the average citizen. These pipes account for 99.9999999 percent of any lead in our water, your split shot that broke off on a stump is a fart in a hurricane.

I am a Property Manager in Washington, DC and I have my Lead Certification so I am definitely qualified to discuss this. Deteriorating lead based paint can cause developmental problems in young children but usually only when lead dust is inhaled after it is disturbed (like in a renovation) or if the child is stupid enough (or ignored enough) to eat large quantities of paint chips.

Since lead paint was banned in 1979 in the US, and lead-based paint disclosure and maintenance requirements are very extensive for contractors and property managers; lead poisoning has essentially disappeared in this country (except in areas of extreme poverty where property owners/residents do not have the means to remediate the situation).

This proposed measure is nothing more than a political stunt which looks good to the ignorant general public but hurts anglers like us where it counts: our wallets.
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Honestly, I don't think this will really happen. Obama's got his work cut out for him without worrying about crap like this.

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i was waiting to see what he could do that would have me really aginst most of his actions...

change we need...not this kind
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