Line Twisting

airmcnair8888 · 08-16-05, 10:45 AM

I have a basic ultra-light spinning rod & reel. Both purchased at Gander Mt.

I have been experiencing line twisting... any time I give the line slack the line will twist itself up.

I've tried to just let the line unravel behind the boat. Id let all the line go out with nothing on the end... no swivel... then id reel it back up with tension on it.. then after a few casts the line would go back to being all twisted.

I've tried getting a new reel and tried changing the line numerous times...

My father seems to think it does it because its the way I cast.... I dont know about that...

Has anyone else experienced severe line twisting with their rod & reel?

To better explain if you tried fishing for carp on the bottom and went to put a bolber on your line.. When you would pull the line down and put the bolber on it would spin around and twist so that it would be impossible to reel it in if you had a hit.

I have no idea why this is happening...

Thanks
Chris

bassthumb32 · 08-16-05, 10:49 AM

How Do You Cast

airmcnair8888 · 08-16-05, 10:51 AM

Umm... well sometimes it vary's... It might be easier to say what ways I shouldnt cast.

Id say probably usually side arm.

what things could I be doing wrong during the cast?

chuck n · 08-16-05, 04:07 PM

My experience has always been that line twist on a spinning reel is usually caused by the type of lure that you're using. I used to use a spinning reel years ago but gave them up just for that reason. I only use baitcasters now. A lure such as a fluke or even worse a Slugo without weight will raise havoc with your line because they will continuously spin on retrieve. At least this has always been my experience. Not a solution but an observation. One other possibility. Are you spooling the new line on correctly?

airmcnair8888 · 08-16-05, 05:39 PM

Im pretty sure im spooling it on right... explain if you can how too if you really think thats the problem.

One time I put on new line and used crankbaits only with a swivel so the line wouldnt twist... but the problem came back after a few outings...even with the swivel...

Thanks for all the advice... I'll try it

Chris

lizardsrule · 08-16-05, 04:04 PM

I doubt your casting has anything to do with it. Your biggest problem IMO is the mono, but beyond that, the Ultra Lites have very small spools. Therefor they also wrap smaller, making more wraps per foor of line than a standard or large diameter spool does. Also the smaller diameter lines are easier to get line twist also. Take the spool off, set it in warm water for about 5 minutes. Put it back on the pole, and tie the end to a tree. Then pull with some tention, and then as you are reeling it in. put some Reel Magic, or KVD's stuff on a rag, and wind it through the wet rag(thanks Mac 10). Should help you out some. And keep spraying the Reel Magic occasionally on it.

Lizards

bassthumb32 · 08-16-05, 05:50 PM

I Used To Do A Lot Of Skip Casting With A Spinning Reel And When The Lure Would Hit The Water It Would Spin And Roll. Thats When I Noticed It Was The Worst.

Rebbasser · 08-16-05, 07:11 PM

You are doing the right thing for twist by letting it trail behind the boat. The other thing I would suggest is to close the bait by hand rather than reeling it closed. That might help.

airmcnair8888 · 08-16-05, 07:15 PM

What do you think is the best line to buy to atleast help this problem?

Rebbasser · 08-16-05, 07:19 PM

I don't think the line is the problem-it is the reel. By nature spinning reels cause line twist. Since you are using an ultralight, do you ever reel while the drag is pulling? Easy to do with an ultralight, and that will twist the line big time.

airmcnair8888 · 08-16-05, 07:22 PM

Well do you mean when a fish is on the line?.. which is most of the time..

i

Or do you mean just on each cast..

Rebbasser · 08-16-05, 07:46 PM

I mean any time you hear the drag, like if you snag a stick and are reeling but no line is coming in. If you are reeling, hearing the noise the drag makes, and no line is coming in you are just twisting the line. That's one of the disadvantages when using ultralight.

zooker · 08-16-05, 08:00 PM

yes extra spools aint just for looking at. it may be the line what kind are you using ? no reb ment add more drag. when you are reeling in a fish never reel against the drag . it will eat it up over time. what pound test is your line a heavy line on a ultra light can cause major tangles. every body else has covered the rest.

zooker

KH. · 08-16-05, 09:45 PM

try putting braid on it then it wont twist

airmcnair8888 · 08-16-05, 09:56 PM

ahh!.. So many different things to do..

angelus40 · 08-16-05, 10:00 PM

God I hate it when it rolls in twists.. have to take the hook off and snip it where it rolled and put the hook back on.

airmcnair8888 · 08-16-05, 10:09 PM

Anyone second some of this advice givin... i cant do everything... i heard atleast 2 diff lines and also ppl who say its not the line... well.. will the line change help a little though?

Chris

lizardsrule · 08-17-05, 12:51 AM

If you get a superline, then your line twist problem should go away. If you are using a swivel, then that should also help. Mono is notorious for line twsit. I prefer Fireline on my spinning reels, but you have to decide what you like. Fireline is not cheap. One other thing, are you possibly overspooling your reel?

Lizards

H2O · 08-21-05, 11:07 PM

Hard to figure out what's the problem, however, I agree with switching your mono to kinda braid line. I recommend SpiderWire STEALTH. It is cheaper than the others and has exactly same "everything". IMO, it is even better than Powerpro.

If your reel has no problem as you said, and if you don't overspooling it. It will 100% NO PROBLEM!

Trust me, it is worth! Spirerwire STEALTH is very strong, smooth and sensitive! Also it is very QUIET, if you've heard the "music" from Powerpro...

They have a pretty decent website too : www.spiderwire.com

http://www.spiderwire.com/NonFlash/P...ductType=Braid

And it is ON SALE on Cabela now, only 9.99

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...h-results1.jsp

BTW, when fishing carp, what kind baits you use? If you use doughball or corn and fishing from bank, you probably don't need any bobber.

airmcnair8888 · 08-21-05, 11:44 AM

I ran out to Gander and bought some Stren Superbraid 8lb test and put on about half of the 125 yards and then bought some barrel swivels... tied one of them on with a liter... well see how that works.

Im using a Guide Series Tournament Spinning Reel GST30F
Ratio 5.2:1 - 8.7oz - lb/yds 6/115

Chris

flachristopherkeene9 · 08-21-05, 12:41 PM

try using some ball bearing swivels too. But I better warn you they are highly expensive 6.00 for like 4.

08-16-05, 10:45 AM	#1
airmcnair8888 BassFishin.Com Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Posts: 86	Line Twisting I have a basic ultra-light spinning rod & reel. Both purchased at Gander Mt. I have been experiencing line twisting... any time I give the line slack the line will twist itself up. I've tried to just let the line unravel behind the boat. Id let all the line go out with nothing on the end... no swivel... then id reel it back up with tension on it.. then after a few casts the line would go back to being all twisted. I've tried getting a new reel and tried changing the line numerous times... My father seems to think it does it because its the way I cast.... I dont know about that... Has anyone else experienced severe line twisting with their rod & reel? To better explain if you tried fishing for carp on the bottom and went to put a bolber on your line.. When you would pull the line down and put the bolber on it would spin around and twist so that it would be impossible to reel it in if you had a hit. I have no idea why this is happening... Thanks Chris

08-16-05, 10:49 AM	#2
bassthumb32 BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Fort Loudon, PA Posts: 682	How Do You Cast __________________ MY LIFETIME GOAL IS TO KEEP AT LEAST A SMALL CASE OF BASSTHUMB FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.

08-16-05, 10:51 AM	#3
airmcnair8888 BassFishin.Com Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Posts: 86	hmm.. Umm... well sometimes it vary's... It might be easier to say what ways I shouldnt cast. Id say probably usually side arm. what things could I be doing wrong during the cast?

08-16-05, 04:07 PM	#4
chuck n BassFishin.Com Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Addison, Mi. Posts: 61	My experience has always been that line twist on a spinning reel is usually caused by the type of lure that you're using. I used to use a spinning reel years ago but gave them up just for that reason. I only use baitcasters now. A lure such as a fluke or even worse a Slugo without weight will raise havoc with your line because they will continuously spin on retrieve. At least this has always been my experience. Not a solution but an observation. One other possibility. Are you spooling the new line on correctly? __________________ I'm sure gonna miss her when I get home-.Brad Paisley- (Fishin' Song):)

08-16-05, 05:39 PM	#5
airmcnair8888 BassFishin.Com Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Posts: 86	Thanks Im pretty sure im spooling it on right... explain if you can how too if you really think thats the problem. One time I put on new line and used crankbaits only with a swivel so the line wouldnt twist... but the problem came back after a few outings...even with the swivel... Thanks for all the advice... I'll try it Chris

08-16-05, 04:04 PM	#6
lizardsrule BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saint Augustine, FL Posts: 7,374	I doubt your casting has anything to do with it. Your biggest problem IMO is the mono, but beyond that, the Ultra Lites have very small spools. Therefor they also wrap smaller, making more wraps per foor of line than a standard or large diameter spool does. Also the smaller diameter lines are easier to get line twist also. Take the spool off, set it in warm water for about 5 minutes. Put it back on the pole, and tie the end to a tree. Then pull with some tention, and then as you are reeling it in. put some Reel Magic, or KVD's stuff on a rag, and wind it through the wet rag(thanks Mac 10). Should help you out some. And keep spraying the Reel Magic occasionally on it. Lizards __________________ There are three types of Snakes I hate 1. Live Snakes 2. Dead Snakes 3. Sticks that look like Snakes. And Gators too!

08-16-05, 05:50 PM	#7
bassthumb32 BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Fort Loudon, PA Posts: 682	I Used To Do A Lot Of Skip Casting With A Spinning Reel And When The Lure Would Hit The Water It Would Spin And Roll. Thats When I Noticed It Was The Worst. __________________ MY LIFETIME GOAL IS TO KEEP AT LEAST A SMALL CASE OF BASSTHUMB FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.

08-16-05, 07:11 PM	#8
Rebbasser BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 10,141	You are doing the right thing for twist by letting it trail behind the boat. The other thing I would suggest is to close the bait by hand rather than reeling it closed. That might help. __________________ It's happened to the best of them: John 21:3

08-16-05, 07:15 PM	#9
airmcnair8888 BassFishin.Com Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Posts: 86	Line What do you think is the best line to buy to atleast help this problem?

08-16-05, 07:19 PM	#10
Rebbasser BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 10,141	I don't think the line is the problem-it is the reel. By nature spinning reels cause line twist. Since you are using an ultralight, do you ever reel while the drag is pulling? Easy to do with an ultralight, and that will twist the line big time. __________________ It's happened to the best of them: John 21:3

08-16-05, 07:22 PM	#11
airmcnair8888 BassFishin.Com Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Posts: 86	Well Well do you mean when a fish is on the line?.. which is most of the time.. i Or do you mean just on each cast..

08-16-05, 07:46 PM	#12
Rebbasser BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 10,141	I mean any time you hear the drag, like if you snag a stick and are reeling but no line is coming in. If you are reeling, hearing the noise the drag makes, and no line is coming in you are just twisting the line. That's one of the disadvantages when using ultralight. __________________ It's happened to the best of them: John 21:3

08-16-05, 08:00 PM	#13
zooker BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: denton nc Posts: 13,441	yes extra spools aint just for looking at. it may be the line what kind are you using ? no reb ment add more drag. when you are reeling in a fish never reel against the drag . it will eat it up over time. what pound test is your line a heavy line on a ultra light can cause major tangles. every body else has covered the rest. zooker __________________ the godfather.. aml in remission since 7-20-09

08-16-05, 09:45 PM	#14
KH. BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,316	try putting braid on it then it wont twist __________________ and god said let there be bass, and there was bass

08-16-05, 09:56 PM	#15
airmcnair8888 BassFishin.Com Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Posts: 86	ahh!.. So many different things to do..

08-16-05, 10:00 PM	#16
angelus40 BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Cincinnati,Ohio Posts: 436	God I hate it when it rolls in twists.. have to take the hook off and snip it where it rolled and put the hook back on.

08-16-05, 10:09 PM	#17
airmcnair8888 BassFishin.Com Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Posts: 86	Anyone second some of this advice givin... i cant do everything... i heard atleast 2 diff lines and also ppl who say its not the line... well.. will the line change help a little though? Chris

08-17-05, 12:51 AM	#18
lizardsrule BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saint Augustine, FL Posts: 7,374	If you get a superline, then your line twist problem should go away. If you are using a swivel, then that should also help. Mono is notorious for line twsit. I prefer Fireline on my spinning reels, but you have to decide what you like. Fireline is not cheap. One other thing, are you possibly overspooling your reel? Lizards __________________ There are three types of Snakes I hate 1. Live Snakes 2. Dead Snakes 3. Sticks that look like Snakes. And Gators too!

08-21-05, 11:07 PM	#19
H2O BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Vancouver B.C. Posts: 369	Hard to figure out what's the problem, however, I agree with switching your mono to kinda braid line. I recommend SpiderWire STEALTH. It is cheaper than the others and has exactly same "everything". IMO, it is even better than Powerpro. If your reel has no problem as you said, and if you don't overspooling it. It will 100% NO PROBLEM! Trust me, it is worth! Spirerwire STEALTH is very strong, smooth and sensitive! Also it is very QUIET, if you've heard the "music" from Powerpro... They have a pretty decent website too : www.spiderwire.com http://www.spiderwire.com/NonFlash/P...ductType=Braid And it is ON SALE on Cabela now, only 9.99 http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...h-results1.jsp BTW, when fishing carp, what kind baits you use? If you use doughball or corn and fishing from bank, you probably don't need any bobber. Last edited by H2O; 08-22-05 at 12:29 AM.

08-21-05, 11:44 AM	#20
airmcnair8888 BassFishin.Com Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Posts: 86	I ran out to Gander and bought some Stren Superbraid 8lb test and put on about half of the 125 yards and then bought some barrel swivels... tied one of them on with a liter... well see how that works. Im using a Guide Series Tournament Spinning Reel GST30F Ratio 5.2:1 - 8.7oz - lb/yds 6/115 Chris

08-21-05, 12:41 PM	#21
flachristopherkeene9 BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 516	try using some ball bearing swivels too. But I better warn you they are highly expensive 6.00 for like 4.

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