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cassidyta · 07-07-09, 05:00 PM

Okay,

Politics, religion, and abortion aside,

I will bring up this hot button topic once more since it was on cnn today.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html

keithdog · 07-07-09, 06:20 PM

I have always disliked the BCS system. While it often is probably pretty close to being accurate, there have been many times when most college football fans would totally dissagree with a BCS ranking and bowl pairings. Anti-trust or not I don't know. What I do believe is that the only fair way to get a real champion is through a playoff system. And the right to burn a ref at the stake for a blown call that hands the game winning ball over to the team that didn't deserve it.

carolina-rig-01 · 07-07-09, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by keithdog

I have always disliked the BCS system. While it often is probably pretty close to being accurate, there have been many times when most college football fans would totally dissagree with a BCS ranking and bowl pairings. Anti-trust or not I don't know. What I do believe is that the only fair way to get a real champion is through a playoff system. And the right to burn a ref at the stake for a blown call that hands the game winning ball over to the team that didn't deserve it.

i agree 100% with a playoff system. i honestly haven't put a lot of thought into how one would work, but to me that is the only way of having no doubt if the best 2 teams in the nation are playing for the title. but depending on how teams would get to the playoff you could still have the same arguements about a team that got left out of the playoffs but beat this team head to head or any of the other arguements that we get into over the bcs as it is now.

bamabassman · 07-07-09, 11:38 PM

play off is the only way to go..............PERIOD.

bcklash · 07-08-09, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bamabassman

play off is the only way to go..............PERIOD.

Bama your right on. BCS is the only major college or pro sport with out a playoff system.

everettvet · 07-08-09, 09:38 AM

I am in agreement that the BCS is junk and a playoff is the only good way to go. As far as the debate with who got in and who didn't, that will always happen unless every team in the country is in and that is not practical. College basketball has 65 teams (including the "play in" game) in the tourney. Teams 66, 67, 68, 69 and 70 whine and cry every year about not getting in. There will always be a team or two that thought they should be in the playoffs. My advise to them is to work harder next year and win more games.

WTL · 07-09-09, 02:44 AM

Instead of replying directly, you can use the search feature to find out why I disagree with the idea of a college football playoff.

nofearengineer · 07-09-09, 09:48 AM

A playoff system seems to work out fine for college basketball and baseball. I'm not sure why it wouldn't work for football.

bamabassman · 07-09-09, 05:37 PM

ok, i need to kinda detail my playoff response here...... we need a playoff like in division II. not a bcs playoff not some "form" of a playoff. a for real playoff. just like in every other type of sport and in every other form of sports.

nofearengineer · 07-09-09, 07:57 PM

Remember, a playoff system won't be perfect. There will always be flaws. However, the problem with the current system that most people complain about is...it doesn't really show who the real champion is.

Well, even a system where they picked the top 16 teams, and those teams played a 4-week single elimination tournament would certainly crown the rightful champion. It's not like someone id going to come up and sy "hey! my <insert no. 17 ranked team here> were really the best team!"

That would make for 15 post-season games. How many bowl games are there currently?

WTL · 07-10-09, 12:35 AM

I would accept a plus 1 or 4 team finals just because I am afraid the playoffs are popular enough among the masses that they might occur in a more destructive (8 or 16 team) format.

Everyone needs to do serious cost benefit analysis. Monkeying around with college football rules has more unintended consequences than most people realize.

nofearengineer · 07-10-09, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by WTL

I would accept a plus 1 or 4 team finals just because I am afraid the playoffs are popular enough among the masses that they might occur in a more destructive (8 or 16 team) format.

Everyone needs to do serious cost benefit analysis. Monkeying around with college football rules has more unintended consequences than most people realize.

The "cost-benefit analysis" is why I suggested a 16 team tourney, WTL. It gives us 15 games for the sponsors to fight over the rights to, and the colleges/towns could bid for the rights to host the games as well, just like the Super Bowl is currently done.

If I were a collegiate football player, nothing would be as anti-climactic as playing in the "X" Bowl, knowing it wasn't for the National Title. Every Bowl that isn't for the title is just about sponsorship money. Now if I was a player (or even a fan!) for a number 10 ranked school, and I had a shot, however small, at the national title, that would be the most exciting time of my life.

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nofearengineer BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southwest IN Posts: 5,630	A playoff system seems to work out fine for college basketball and baseball. I'm not sure why it wouldn't work for football. __________________ Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing it is not fish they are after.

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bamabassman BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: cedar bluff, alabama Posts: 15,292	ok, i need to kinda detail my playoff response here...... we need a playoff like in division II. not a bcs playoff not some "form" of a playoff. a for real playoff. just like in every other type of sport and in every other form of sports. __________________ so many lures, so little time.

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keithdog BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: IN Posts: 8,308	I have always disliked the BCS system. While it often is probably pretty close to being accurate, there have been many times when most college football fans would totally dissagree with a BCS ranking and bowl pairings. Anti-trust or not I don't know. What I do believe is that the only fair way to get a real champion is through a playoff system. And the right to burn a ref at the stake for a blown call that hands the game winning ball over to the team that didn't deserve it.

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everettvet BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Paducah, KY Posts: 730	I am in agreement that the BCS is junk and a playoff is the only good way to go. As far as the debate with who got in and who didn't, that will always happen unless every team in the country is in and that is not practical. College basketball has 65 teams (including the "play in" game) in the tourney. Teams 66, 67, 68, 69 and 70 whine and cry every year about not getting in. There will always be a team or two that thought they should be in the playoffs. My advise to them is to work harder next year and win more games.

07-09-09, 07:57 PM	#10
nofearengineer BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southwest IN Posts: 5,630	Remember, a playoff system won't be perfect. There will always be flaws. However, the problem with the current system that most people complain about is...it doesn't really show who the real champion is. Well, even a system where they picked the top 16 teams, and those teams played a 4-week single elimination tournament would certainly crown the rightful champion. It's not like someone id going to come up and sy "hey! my <insert no. 17 ranked team here> were really the best team!" That would make for 15 post-season games. How many bowl games are there currently? __________________ Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing it is not fish they are after. Last edited by nofearengineer; 07-09-09 at 07:59 PM. Reason: added information

07-10-09, 12:35 AM	#11
WTL BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Huntsville, Al Posts: 7,466	I would accept a plus 1 or 4 team finals just because I am afraid the playoffs are popular enough among the masses that they might occur in a more destructive (8 or 16 team) format. Everyone needs to do serious cost benefit analysis. Monkeying around with college football rules has more unintended consequences than most people realize. __________________ Selling live waterdogs for less since 2005.

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