I have no clue

cassidyta · 07-03-09, 08:51 PM

I started doing some much needed tackle bag cleaning today when my 14 year old son came out to the garage to get a soda. He glanced over and gave me the fairly common, "whatya doing?" I stated that I was just doing a little organizing and told him I could use a hand. He helped me sort through various baits and sort them by color and type. He then said "Dad, I have a fishing question".
My chest pushed out as I was ready to be "Super Dad". I was formulating answers to such questions as "What is slow rolling a spinnerbait, or how does weather affect the bass". Nope, his question was what is the difference between a 2/0 and a 3/0 hook. Before I could open my mouth, he said, "don't just tell me one is bigger, how do they measure them"
Damn, there goes my immediate response.
I told him that I would find out and he just shrugged and finished sorting colors.
Well, once he went back inside. I jumped on google. Sadly, I have no better guess than before. Wikipedia states that there is no real standard. A 1 is the middle hook and they get bigger (upto 19/0)or smaller (32) from there.
I found a site that stated that the measurement is made by comparing gap size, to the length of the shaft, but it still does not explain how the size is determined in the first place.

I am hoping someone on here can help. If not I am forced to use the technique used by fathers for centuries....Yep, I am not above lying to my kids.....

Right now I am leaning to a story where the hook size is based on a game played by the Aztecs. One where they got points for specific sizes of fish. I am considering saying that the measurement is based on how wide the fish's mouth would open.

Jim80 · 07-03-09, 08:54 PM

Cass when i get to work on monday i could measure a couple different sizes up and let ya know the exact difference measurement wise but other than that i am lost .

Jim

MallenManson · 07-03-09, 08:55 PM

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance...........

cassidyta · 07-03-09, 08:55 PM

I have a feeling that you have much better tools than me using a tape measure....lol

Jim80 · 07-03-09, 08:57 PM

Being a toolmaker most likely yeah , I could measure them down to a tenth of a thousandth of an inch if ya want .

Jim

cassidyta · 07-03-09, 08:59 PM

If I am ever worried about a 10th of a thousandth of an inch, I am really insecure in my manhood. I can just see it now, but, but it rounds up to be.......

LMAO,
(even if I am the only one who gets my humor)

Jim80 · 07-03-09, 09:00 PM

Lmao man , We hold tolerances like that for almost everything we make it gets to be a pain .

jim

Captmikestarrett · 07-03-09, 09:16 PM

When I was a young lad working on a head boat we had a O Shawnasy card to measure hooks with. They came in a 5lb box and I had to sort them.

I think he invented hook size..

Capt Mike

cassidyta · 07-03-09, 09:19 PM

Wrong post

woody · 07-03-09, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cassidyta

If I am ever worried about a 10th of a thousandth of an inch, I am really insecure in my manhood. I can just see it now, but, but it rounds up to be.......

LMAO,
(even if I am the only one who gets my humor)

I too always round up when it comes to fishin', but round down when reporting to the I.Rrrr.S.

~Mark

nofearengineer · 07-03-09, 09:33 PM

Unfortunately, there is no standard. Some manufacturers' sizes are different than others'. Can you imagine if they did shoes, clothes, etc. like that? Chaos and pandemonium would reign.

bcklash · 07-03-09, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nofearengineer

Chaos and pandemonium would reign.

You mean it don't already.

CMorg · 07-03-09, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nofearengineer

Unfortunately, there is no standard. Some manufacturers' sizes are different than others'. Can you imagine if they did shoes, clothes, etc. like that? Chaos and pandemonium would reign.

They do , I got shoes in 11's that fit perfect , and shoes in 12s that fit perfect , same with jeans.

cassidyta · 07-03-09, 10:52 PM

okay....looks like my son will grow up believing that the Aztecs had something to do with it....LOL
I can't have him thinking that there is no rhyme or reason to fish hook sizes. That would lead to doubts about the government......LOL

BigBassin144 · 07-03-09, 10:59 PM

Yeah, I don't think there is a standard. My 4/0 Owner J-hooks (EWG) are the same size as gammy 3/0 EWG's. go figure.

BB

nofearengineer · 07-04-09, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CMorg

They do , I got shoes in 11's that fit perfect , and shoes in 12s that fit perfect , same with jeans.

Funny thing about that is, there is actually a standard, but the manufacturing process is so screwed up, there's that much variation possible. (8 year old Chinese factory workers can only be so precise, ya know?

)

MallenManson · 07-04-09, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nofearengineer

Funny thing about that is, there is actually a standard, but the manufacturing process is so screwed up, there's that much variation possible. (8 year old Chinese factory workers can only be so precise, ya know?

)

It's really too bad they can't get closer on boots. Anytime I come across a great deal for boots online, I gota go find a place that sells 'em and figure out what size I need

bamabassman · 07-04-09, 11:20 PM

ya know.this like how in the world did they come up with inches and centimeters. i mean, i know how they came up with inches for real. but just WHO was the guy that was the FIRST one? these types of things are interesting enough to drive one crazy if you really want to get all techie on it ya know?

i know who did it.....ENGINEERS. hahahahahahahahaha, just kidding nofear and bassinid. had to do it though. jsut couldn't hold it long enough. hahahahahahahahahahaha.

1/4 stick · 07-05-09, 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cassidyta

If I am ever worried about a 10th of a thousandth of an inch, I am really insecure in my manhood. I can just see it now, but, but it rounds up to be.......

LMAO,
(even if I am the only one who gets my humor)

It's not the size of the hook, it's how you work the bait.

1/4 stick · 07-05-09, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bamabassman

ya know.this like how in the world did they come up with inches and centimeters. i mean, i know how they came up with inches for real. but just WHO was the guy that was the FIRST one? these types of things are interesting enough to drive one crazy if you really want to get all techie on it ya know?

i know who did it.....ENGINEERS. hahahahahahahahaha, just kidding nofear and bassinid. had to do it though. jsut couldn't hold it long enough. hahahahahahahahahahaha.

Just think, in ancient times they had to figure out cubits.

bamabassman · 07-05-09, 10:22 AM

whish came first the chicken or the egg? kinda like that i think.

BigBassin144 · 07-05-09, 10:31 AM

If a man says something in a forest and there's no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong?

BB

MallenManson · 07-05-09, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bamabassman

whish came first the chicken or the egg? kinda like that i think.

Well, eggs cook faster.....

bcklash · 07-05-09, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBassin144

If a man says something in a forest and there's no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong?

BB

WHY HE77 YES!!!! My wife made me say that.

07-03-09, 08:51 PM	#1
cassidyta BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,928	I have no clue I started doing some much needed tackle bag cleaning today when my 14 year old son came out to the garage to get a soda. He glanced over and gave me the fairly common, "whatya doing?" I stated that I was just doing a little organizing and told him I could use a hand. He helped me sort through various baits and sort them by color and type. He then said "Dad, I have a fishing question". My chest pushed out as I was ready to be "Super Dad". I was formulating answers to such questions as "What is slow rolling a spinnerbait, or how does weather affect the bass". Nope, his question was what is the difference between a 2/0 and a 3/0 hook. Before I could open my mouth, he said, "don't just tell me one is bigger, how do they measure them" Damn, there goes my immediate response. I told him that I would find out and he just shrugged and finished sorting colors. Well, once he went back inside. I jumped on google. Sadly, I have no better guess than before. Wikipedia states that there is no real standard. A 1 is the middle hook and they get bigger (upto 19/0)or smaller (32) from there. I found a site that stated that the measurement is made by comparing gap size, to the length of the shaft, but it still does not explain how the size is determined in the first place. I am hoping someone on here can help. If not I am forced to use the technique used by fathers for centuries....Yep, I am not above lying to my kids..... Right now I am leaning to a story where the hook size is based on a game played by the Aztecs. One where they got points for specific sizes of fish. I am considering saying that the measurement is based on how wide the fish's mouth would open. __________________ If you have ever wondered if you should retie, the answer is yes.

07-03-09, 08:54 PM	#2
Jim80 BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Thomaston CT Posts: 3,862	Cass when i get to work on monday i could measure a couple different sizes up and let ya know the exact difference measurement wise but other than that i am lost . Jim __________________ In memory of Zooker 1/11/73-7/2/2010. You will be sorely missed and never forgotten.

07-03-09, 08:55 PM	#3
MallenManson BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Beulah, Michigan Posts: 6,431	If you can't dazzle them with brilliance........... __________________ Bass fear me. Women pepperspray me.....

07-03-09, 08:55 PM	#4
cassidyta BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,928	I have a feeling that you have much better tools than me using a tape measure....lol __________________ If you have ever wondered if you should retie, the answer is yes.

07-03-09, 08:57 PM	#5
Jim80 BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Thomaston CT Posts: 3,862	Being a toolmaker most likely yeah , I could measure them down to a tenth of a thousandth of an inch if ya want . Jim __________________ In memory of Zooker 1/11/73-7/2/2010. You will be sorely missed and never forgotten.

07-03-09, 08:59 PM	#6
cassidyta BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,928	If I am ever worried about a 10th of a thousandth of an inch, I am really insecure in my manhood. I can just see it now, but, but it rounds up to be....... LMAO, (even if I am the only one who gets my humor) __________________ If you have ever wondered if you should retie, the answer is yes.

07-03-09, 09:00 PM	#7
Jim80 BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Thomaston CT Posts: 3,862	Lmao man , We hold tolerances like that for almost everything we make it gets to be a pain . jim __________________ In memory of Zooker 1/11/73-7/2/2010. You will be sorely missed and never forgotten.

07-03-09, 09:16 PM	#8
Captmikestarrett BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: May 2006 Location: Accokeek MD Posts: 3,315	When I was a young lad working on a head boat we had a O Shawnasy card to measure hooks with. They came in a 5lb box and I had to sort them. I think he invented hook size.. Capt Mike __________________ Capt Mike Starrett light tackle guide Potomac River http://www.indianheadcharters.com

07-03-09, 09:19 PM	#9
cassidyta BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,928	Wrong post __________________ If you have ever wondered if you should retie, the answer is yes.

07-03-09, 09:33 PM	#11
nofearengineer BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Southwest IN Posts: 5,630	Unfortunately, there is no standard. Some manufacturers' sizes are different than others'. Can you imagine if they did shoes, clothes, etc. like that? Chaos and pandemonium would reign. __________________ Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing it is not fish they are after.

07-03-09, 10:52 PM	#14
cassidyta BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,928	okay....looks like my son will grow up believing that the Aztecs had something to do with it....LOL I can't have him thinking that there is no rhyme or reason to fish hook sizes. That would lead to doubts about the government......LOL __________________ If you have ever wondered if you should retie, the answer is yes.

07-03-09, 10:59 PM	#15
BigBassin144 BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 9,463	Yeah, I don't think there is a standard. My 4/0 Owner J-hooks (EWG) are the same size as gammy 3/0 EWG's. go figure. BB __________________ As of June 14, 2014 the members of the BF.com forum have moved to basschat.yuku.com!

07-04-09, 11:20 PM	#18
bamabassman BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: cedar bluff, alabama Posts: 15,292	ya know.this like how in the world did they come up with inches and centimeters. i mean, i know how they came up with inches for real. but just WHO was the guy that was the FIRST one? these types of things are interesting enough to drive one crazy if you really want to get all techie on it ya know? i know who did it.....ENGINEERS. hahahahahahahahaha, just kidding nofear and bassinid. had to do it though. jsut couldn't hold it long enough. hahahahahahahahahahaha. __________________ so many lures, so little time.

07-05-09, 10:22 AM	#21
bamabassman BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: cedar bluff, alabama Posts: 15,292	whish came first the chicken or the egg? kinda like that i think. __________________ so many lures, so little time.

07-05-09, 10:31 AM	#22
BigBassin144 BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 9,463	If a man says something in a forest and there's no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong? BB __________________ As of June 14, 2014 the members of the BF.com forum have moved to basschat.yuku.com!

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