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Old 07-10-12, 10:00 PM   #1
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........letís quit trashing President Obama and start to recognize his accomplishments! After all, it is an impressive list..........
First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.
First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.
First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States
First President to violate the War Powers Act.
First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico .
First President to defy a Federal Judge's court order to cease implementing the Health Care Reform Law.
First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.
First President to spend a trillion dollars on 'shovel-ready' jobs when there was no such thing as 'shovel-ready' jobs.
First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.
First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.
First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S. , including those with criminal convictions.
First President to demand a company hand over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.
First President to terminate America 's ability to put a man in space.
First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.
First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.
First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke-out on the reasons for their rate increases.
First President to tell a major manu-facturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory.
First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).
First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.
First President to fire an inspector general of Ameri-corps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.
First President to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office. .
First President to golf 100 separate times in his first two and a half years in office, 90 to date.
First President to hide his medical, educational and travel records.
First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.
First President to go on multiple global "apology tours".
First President to go on 17 lavish vacations, including date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends; paid for by the taxpayer.
First President to have 22 personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.
First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year at taxpayer expense.
First President to take a 17 day vacation.
So, how is this "CHANGE" working out?
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Old 07-10-12, 11:30 PM   #2
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So, how is this "CHANGE" working out?
Pretty much how I figured it would. I hope America as a whole is aware of the fact that Obama as well as the rest of our government is wiping its *** with our constitution and takes a stand to start cleaning house come election time. Unfortunatley there are so many able bodied people who will never work a day in their life as long as there is a president who will take food off a working mans table and give it to them, and sadly most of these people vote so I am worried about this election.
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I seriously doubt this country and our constitution will survive another four years of this tyranical president. There have been presidents in the past I really disliked, but none that caused me to have such great fear for our future as a country and a people. Sadly, there are too many democrats that will vote for ANYONE as long as it's not a republican. I just wish the republicans had something better to offer than Romney! But regardless, we have to make sure this guy gets voted out.
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With a big list like that.....maybe I voted wrong?
You folks can guess how I voted.

I'm thinking we try a 4 year stint with NO president. Can't really work any worse than how our 'entitlement rich Goverment Body" works now, rather, DOESN'T WORK... literally.
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Old 07-11-12, 01:24 AM   #5
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What I would love to say, unfortunately wearing a uniform inhibits my right of free speech and big brother is always watching!

I will; however say, I will:

Keep my God
Keep my Guns
Keep my Money

and they can keep the Change
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Old 07-11-12, 08:34 AM   #6
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What I would love to say, unfortunately wearing a uniform inhibits my right of free speech and big brother is always watching!

I will; however say, I will:

Keep my God
Keep my Guns
Keep my Money

and they can keep the Change

I may STEAL that one!
I really like the way you think!!!!
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Whatever. Politics sucks. Virtually no career politician works for the people who elect him, but for the special intrests that have the MONEY (to get him elected) and the perks of office. What is the major goal of EVERY politician? Getting re-elected! Second goal - raising money to get re-elected. Best way to get money and therfore re-elected? Get legislation passed for two specific groups - those that have the money, which can fund the next campaign and those masses of the "under classes" that you can give a hand out and gain thier favor by the "gifts" bestowed upon them. To paraphase a well known saying: Give them a fish and they'll be banging on your door tomorrow for another one, try teaching them to fish and they'll drop out of class.

Cynical - you bet your arse. I've watched our political system spiral downward into the political sewer it is today for the last 50 years. The biggest "change" from then to now are the "social programs" in place, that makes working less attractive, second certainly in our taking on the role of "World Police Force" but I'm not going there, so back to MY number one. It is the major drain on our economy and has turned the pinch on the so called "middle class" into more of a DEATH GRIP. I could write a book about the changes in this country over just my lifetime, but it wouldn't sell because it would be about tough choices that need to be made. It would be about political corruption, ethics, personal honor and family. Family values and responsibility - think about that one. Today the family is becoming a throw-away-commoditiy much like a styrofoam cup. Also about commitment - very few Americans, that I see, are committed to anything other than themselves. That's harsh, and it's a generalization, as there are a few individuals whom I hold in high respect, but not many and NONE is a politician.

I'm going to end now, or this post will turn into a chapter, with this thought: I believe, strongly, that soon the "Second American Revolution" will occur (great title for my book, don't you think) and likely soon. The original was fought over oppression, unfair taxation, and one Nation or segment of a Nation trying to exert it's influence over another, government corruption also figured into the mix with the goverened unhappy that their governing officals were living high on the hog, off their backs of course. Sound familiar?

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Hey Joe, you can borrow one of mine: "Obama promised change and he delivered, it's all I've got left in my pocket."
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Come November, Romney will be spanked like a 4 year old in K-Mart. I never realized that this forum was filled with so many millionaires who think that the govt is out to get them.
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I may STEAL that one!
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LOL, Thanks. Go right ahead I stole it from someone else, when I seen it I thought it was priceless (no pun intended)
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Come November, Romney will be spanked like a 4 year old in K-Mart. I never realized that this forum was filled with so many millionaires who think that the govt is out to get them.
Obama is an obvious Socialist, wanting to "spread the wealth" drawing off money from those that have EARNED it and give it to the who haven't, promoting further their dependance on the government to provide for them rather than giving some incentive for them to help themselves. I acknowledge some of our citizens need assistance, those truely in need should get help. The social programs are in place, they need to be tightened up significantly.

Socialism doesn't work well, especially in a "free" society. Romney is certainly a Capitalist, and Capitalism has made the USA the Country it is today. So there are the two choices we are faced with. Eveyone gets to make a choice, most will make a choice that benifits them rather than a choice which will benifit everyone. The hard choice is the latter one, so which choice will you make?

Remember - this Country was NOT founded on dependance, but rather INDEPENDENCE.

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I rarely get into the political arena but just something to think about.

Big business or even small business DOES NOT create jobs.
The middle class CONSUMER creates JOBS.
When we spend our hard earned money on consumer goods the companies then wish to make a larger profit and the way to do that is to HIRE more people to make more product.
So doesn't it make sense to put any and all tax break considerations focused on the middle class? If they have more money to spend, the big boy's want it and hence more jobs and and hence more lower income folks getting middle income wages and hence the cycle repeats itself over and over making the American Dream the goal of the majority and obtainable for the majority. Hard work can once again be a goal because the dream is obtainable.

Remember, this is just my opinion.
I don't care to listen any longer to any trickle down theories or any other theories for that matter.
Give the money to the people that BUY. Pretty simple if you ask me.
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Come November, Romney will be spanked like a 4 year old in K-Mart. I never realized that this forum was filled with so many millionaires who think that the govt is out to get them.
Oh boy....here we go....
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Spanked like a 4 year old in K-Mart...never heard that one but I am pretty sure it is in my grab bag now!
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Just a thought on "trickle down economics": It is not THE answer, but only a part. Big business does create jobs, as does any business. Businees is a pursuit of profits, profits allow expansion (growth), expansion creates jobs, jobs and profits create tax revenue. Excessive taxation on businees, reduces profits and business retaliates by cutting costs - that may mean jobs, or cutting quality and a reversal of the process begins. In the instance of jobs vs profit you only have to look at recent history where business has created a lot of jobs - just out of this country. That's how Capitalism basically works, profits drive business, without profit business ceases to exist as does the tax base.

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I'm not sure that there has been a President who HASNT violated the War Powers Resolution. Obama wasn't the first, thats for sure.
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Meh, I've seen this post about the last president we had on these boards, and it's the same in the media. Whomever is currently in power takes all the jabs from the other side, statistics get strewed, and facts get blurred all to blame the current administration (be it republican or democrat). While the other side makes big promises (they can't or will not keep). Yet when they get elected the cycle just resets itself, all while this great country continues to circle down the toilet bowl.

I think it's time for a reset in American Politics, to get away from the two party system, Impose term limits on senators, do away with lobbiest, and speculators, get rid of lifetime payments and benefits for our politicians, and start putting people in office that don't worry about their parties agenda.

In sort of the words of the famous Joker "This Country needs an Enima".
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Politics has come to resemble the mania in sports. Just try to talk sense to most auburn fans - it cant be done. Every possible inference in their mind goes in favor of Auburn, and against Alabama. So by the time you're done talking with them, you realize that they think that Saban grinds up small children and uses them to feed his roid laden team. Just little inferences can build like that into...denial...insanity, what have you.

Politics should be different. I thought we were all on the same team. Maybe because we view our team as agendas, and falsely think that there is a pure agenda followed by x candidate, is why we get so defensive and suspend logic. And then because nobody is really very informed, but everyone wants to pretend to be, they take other peoples words in matters that they are not knowledgible about.

I'm not arguing for the mushy middle. Some things you cant split the baby on. But while we have policy disagreements, lets do that in the real world, with real facts, and disregard all the political tripe. Cause I dont give a damn were hussein was born, I only care about what he is doing right now.
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Just a thought on "trickle down economics": It is not THE answer, but only a part. Big business does create jobs, as does any business. Businees is a pursuit of profits, profits allow expansion (growth), expansion creates jobs, jobs and profits create tax revenue. Excessive taxation on businees, reduces profits and business retaliates by cutting costs - that may mean jobs, or cutting quality and a reversal of the process begins. In the instance of jobs vs profit you only have to look at recent history where business has created a lot of jobs - just out of this country. That's how Capitalism basically works, profits drive business, without profit business ceases to exist as does the tax base.
It all comes to a halt when the consumer STOPS buying.
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It all comes to a halt when the consumer STOPS buying.
And the consumer stops buying because XYZ Corp. shipped his job to China or some other place where workers rights, job safety, child labor laws and all those other pesky regulations aren't in play. More profit that way. After all, isn't that what corporations are all about.
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And the consumer stops buying because XYZ Corp. shipped his job to China or some other place where workers rights, job safety, child labor laws and all those other pesky regulations aren't in play. More profit that way. After all, isn't that what corporations are all about.
What do you think the alternatives are? Thats always the question. Do you think it is actually possible to economically compete for manufacturing, all the while maintaining "pesky regulations" that are well intended?

Economics is a study of scarce resources and tradeoffs. This isn't about morality, not really. The corporations do exist to make profit, they could not exist any other way, the jobs they do give americans are derived from profit. If we make it unprofitable to exist in America, I dont see how we can really blame them for wanting to go elsewhere. Its a tradeoff that we have agreed to in legislating outcomes that we desired. We cannot just simply make the economic disincentives go away, however. The real world is full of decisions and choices where you cant have both.
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Meh, I've seen this post about the last president we had on these boards, and it's the same in the media. Whomever is currently in power takes all the jabs from the other side, statistics get strewed, and facts get blurred all to blame the current administration (be it republican or democrat). While the other side makes big promises (they can't or will not keep). Yet when they get elected the cycle just resets itself, all while this great country continues to circle down the toilet bowl.

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In sort of the words of the famous Joker "This Country needs an Enima".
I agree. I believe all politicians are scumbags
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There is an unwritten "social contract", spoken, and written of, discussed, debated, and argued over, but it is one all people generally abide by...and corporations are "people", aren't they?
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The middle class CONSUMER creates JOBS - OVERSEAS. Because when given a choice, most consumers make a purchase based on cost. It's a fact American made goods are more expensive than comparable foreign made items. Reasons are many, but disparity of wages & benifits for American workers vs those for foreign workers, and government regulatons in the USA are at the top. That a product costs more if it's made in USA is the reason when you go into any large store, be it Walmart, BPS, Target, etc, virtually all the merchandise is NOT made here. American business relocating production overseas is a direct result of consumer spending, in order to compete and give said consumer what they want. So yes, all consumers not just the middle class create jobs as a result of their buying habits - just not here in the USA.
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