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Old 07-27-05, 09:07 PM   #1
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Default Jigs ,jigs jigs,jigs

Brown and orange, black and chart use with teal , plastic craw trailers.
That was our game plan tonight, made some flips to timber and got hit, only to set the hook and that stupid line broke on me again, I had just retied and check for frays, I think I got a brittle spool.
anyways, it wasn't long before my partner had his very first jig fish on the brown and orange with a craw dude cut down to fit the jig size.
We figured one jig that was small in size, one that was a larger profile..
both worked fine , we started getting some keepers and a few that did;t quite measure to 14, but lots of action.
It didn't take long for the bites to slow, so we went to the popR and buzz bait, got a few more.
It was great getting out in cool weather after a month of sundays 90 degree heat.
Enjoyed the jig bite, seeing the line come at you sometimes with no peck, then other times it was just like a worm hitting it.
Several times I am pretty sure a gill took the trailer for a ride, I hate to think we missed that many bass running' with it LOL
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Old 07-27-05, 10:55 PM   #2
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what kind of line was it?was it old?if it get's chalky then it's n.g..buy cajun red cast and forget about all your line problems.
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Old 07-28-05, 08:02 AM   #3
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Buy the Trilene XT or Big Game!
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Old 07-28-05, 08:53 AM   #4
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Trilene XT is the only line I use for 15 years, I think I got a bad batch, I talked to a co angler and he got the same crap from wally world.

It won't change my mind tho, I 'll get another spool of Trilene and keep on truckin
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Old 07-28-05, 09:05 AM   #5
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Mine was from walmart, but it was fresh arrival too, it was just shipped in, I would know becuase mom works there!
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Old 07-28-05, 09:48 AM   #6
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Sucks about the line. Sounds like it was a great time. Thats when it is nice to carry two poles. I always try to carry two with me sometimes three. That way if you miss a good hit you can throw in something new. A lot of times you can get the same guy/gal (I'll try to be politically correct) to jump on again. I have actually got the same jig right back. (This was during span of course)
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Old 07-28-05, 09:51 AM   #7
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Sorry about the spelling (span = spawn) My bad.
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Old 07-28-05, 10:41 AM   #8
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I try to carry 4-7 rods with me at all times Comes in handy when you're working the bank with one bait and want to switch to something else if it looks worthy
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Old 07-29-05, 02:55 AM   #9
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My buddy hooked a canoe once with a jig, BIG 1/2 oz jig-n-pig crashing into an aluminum canoe. He dam near pulled it over too I was to buisy laughing to tell them what happened. Me and my buddy were fishing late evening and both in dark clothes so all the canoe people knew was that they heard something hit the boat and then they started being pulled into shore. My friend with 50 lb braided line wasn't about to loose his jig-n-pig. They were pulled in 30 feet before they figured it out (probably from the laughing). I don't know how he hooked it with the weedguard and all.
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Old 08-02-05, 05:49 PM   #10
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JB, What lb test are you using? I hate to tell you but color doesn't have a thing to do with whether they bite a jig or not, except for fall fishing (brown craw color is king). Its the presentation or lure profile and fall rate that dertermines whether a fish bites it or not.Use a minumum of 14lb test and pick your favorite color, that way your sure to fish it longer when it doesn't seem to be working. P N J
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Old 08-02-05, 06:06 PM   #11
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Justin,what all are some things one can do to change the profile of a jig?
And do you think its better to keep the line tight are slack while its falling?
Last question, once on bottom,what have you found to be the best way to work
the bait, one are 2 hops many hops,long pauses between hopping,no pausing just hop,hop,hop, Big hops,small hops, just fish the fall and pick it right back up? The reason Im asking is because I'v been fishing the jig alot and have been getting bit here and there,but not as much as I think I should be, and all of the hits I'v gotten have been on the fall, I can't seem to get them to pick it up once its on the bottem!!!
What can I do to up my sucess rate!!!

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Old 08-02-05, 06:27 PM   #12
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use braided fireline it wont fray so much and it rips through weeds
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Old 08-03-05, 10:42 PM   #13
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Buzzking,2 things you can do to change the profile of the bait is to buy different jigs, those with a leadhead will be a bigger profile than a jighead made of Tungstun weighing the same weight.The second is to have different trailers to change the profile of the bait.I mainly fish a 1/2 oz. & 1 oz. weight until I catch a few fish to determine what altercations are needed to better suite the fishes preference for the day.On the 1/2oz. jig I always start with a Gene Larew salt craw with a inch or so bit off to shorten the profile.On the 1 oz. jig I use a Zoom super chunk jr trailer or a yum 2.75" trailer with a small profile to allow the jig to fall at a fast rate of speed to generate reaction bites.I flip the jig on semi slack line,let it hit bottom allow it to remain still for five seconds or so,and lift and drop a few times before retrieving the jig to flip again.Alot of time people don't allow the fish to get to the jig before they move it.If I get alot of bites on the fall I switch to the heavier jig to create a better reaction bite a slower falling jig won't produce.If they bite after a few seconds after the jig is on bottom, I allow the flip more time sitting on bottom, and sometimes use a 3/8 oz. weight to see if they respond better to a slower fall rate.If they run a tear the claws off without getting hooked, I downsize the trailer profile.If they are biting a jig good, but have sharp gripper teeth when caught, I switch to a rootbeer/green flake jig with matching trailer to better imitate a sunfish color.If the gripperteeth are really dull, I switch to a craw pattern color or stay with a black/red skirt color combo.I almost never ever fish black/blue color because that is the #1 peoples choice, I feel the fish get conditioned to seeing it alot, your bite ratio drops.I hardly ever trim the weed guard, just thin a few bristles out , never shorten the bristles length.I check and sharpen the hook constantly, If the hookpoint doesn't stick in your thumb nail , its not sharp enough. I hope this helps.P N J
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Old 08-04-05, 12:53 AM   #14
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JB, What lb test are you using? I hate to tell you but color doesn't have a thing to do with whether they bite a jig or not, except for fall fishing (brown craw color is king). Its the presentation or lure profile and fall rate that dertermines whether a fish bites it or not.Use a minumum of 14lb test and pick your favorite color, that way your sure to fish it longer when it doesn't seem to be working. P N J

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Buzzking,2 things you can do to change the profile of the bait is to buy different jigs, those with a leadhead will be a bigger profile than a jighead made of Tungstun weighing the same weight.The second is to have different trailers to change the profile of the bait.I mainly fish a 1/2 oz. & 1 oz. weight until I catch a few fish to determine what altercations are needed to better suite the fishes preference for the day.On the 1/2oz. jig I always start with a Gene Larew salt craw with a inch or so bit off to shorten the profile.On the 1 oz. jig I use a Zoom super chunk jr trailer or a yum 2.75" trailer with a small profile to allow the jig to fall at a fast rate of speed to generate reaction bites.I flip the jig on semi slack line,let it hit bottom allow it to remain still for five seconds or so,and lift and drop a few times before retrieving the jig to flip again.Alot of time people don't allow the fish to get to the jig before they move it.If I get alot of bites on the fall I switch to the heavier jig to create a better reaction bite a slower falling jig won't produce.If they bite after a few seconds after the jig is on bottom, I allow the flip more time sitting on bottom, and sometimes use a 3/8 oz. weight to see if they respond better to a slower fall rate.If they run a tear the claws off without getting hooked, I downsize the trailer profile. If they are biting a jig good, but have sharp gripper teeth when caught, I switch to a rootbeer/green flake jig with matching trailer to better imitate a sunfish color.If the gripperteeth are really dull, I switch to a craw pattern color or stay with a black/red skirt color combo.I almost never ever fish black/blue color because that is the #1 peoples choice, I feel the fish get conditioned to seeing it alot, your bite ratio drops. I hardly ever trim the weed guard, just thin a few bristles out , never shorten the bristles length.I check and sharpen the hook constantly, If the hookpoint doesn't stick in your thumb nail , its not sharp enough. I hope this helps.P N J

OK Which is it, color does or doesn't matter


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Old 08-04-05, 01:39 PM   #15
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Thanks for the great tips!!!

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Old 08-04-05, 08:42 PM   #16
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Lizards, Well you can throw any color that your imagination can dream up and still catch fish on it.If your one to pay attention to the gripper teeth, you can produce a few more fish to the boat by refining the colors I mentioned.I don't think people want to get that serious about jig fishing, so whatever color you happen to tie on will catch a fish or two. Black/blue is a contrast of color so its a versital color for any water clarity.I found out that black/red skirt is as effective for any water clarity, again it is a contrasting color combo.I fooled around with skirt/trailer combinations to contrast each other and I have caught alot of fish doing it, but I have no proof its what created the bite, the color contrast or location, or the presention of the lure did create the bite.Now that I have probably confused you even more than you were, I will clearly state, I don't know exactly what makes them bite the jig, I just know how to generate a few more strikes by changing little features of the lure color, and profile, and by changing the jigs fall rate.Nothing will ever be etched in stone when your fishing. P N J
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Old 08-05-05, 09:48 AM   #17
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One thing I do with all my jigs is trim the shirt just below the hook. I use black/blue mostly. In clearer water I will use green pumpkin with a few orange strands. A jig is absolutely my favorite bait. I actually use lighter jigs unless I'm fishing deep water however... I mostly use jigs for flipping shallow cover. I find myself using Bitsy Bugs a lot lately because of all the pressure on the lakes and rivers these days. Down sizing lures (finesse fishing) seems to put a few more fish in the boat.

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Old 08-05-05, 03:51 PM   #18
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Finesse fishing is my thing........... Havent had to much luck on jigs but I dont use them to often so there is a connection there..............
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Justin Case I hate to disagree with you but color imho does have a factor on the fish hittin it or not,especially in the clearer waters. When I lived in pa. I used to fish with this one guy alot and we both love jigs. We would always start out with different colors and let the fish tell us which one they wanted. Now everything else you stated comes into the game rate of fall action etc..etc.. but to make this short when one of us would get more bites than the other then we would fish the same color and then it usually came out 50/50 on the bites.
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1Fastlaser, Thanks for your response, When you switched to the same color, was the jig the same weight, and have the same trailer as the one catching the majority of the fish ? The only way to test color would be to establish the color of the day as you have done in the past, but then take noticably different jig weights & trailer sizes in the preferred color and mix and match them and see if they catch fish with different size profile and rate of fall but using the desinated color that caught more fish earlier.I would almost bet your catch ratio would vary with the different types of jig weights & trailer combinations, but I am not always correct. P N J
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Yes we did change weights at times but I gotta hand it to yua this time I dont think we did pay as much attention at the time to the size. If we where catching them on 1/4 oz vlack then we would pretty well stay with that size. So it looks like we shoulda been a little more specific and varied between weights and trailers etc. In fact 95% of the time we threw 1/4 oz or 1/8 oz so in reality you are correct.
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1FastLaser,I am sorry if I came off as posting to be correct, I was just giving another view of different components of a jig that in my own opinion are part of what makes the fish bite.Color has something to do with it at times, but in my opinion, its only part of the equasion.I beleive that there are 3 things ( color, rate of fall, profile size )that determine whether the fish bites a jig.Now let me add water clarity, food source(crawfish, baitfish) & fish activity level (strike zone)(strike zone = weather conditions) to play another part of the equasion. These things help determine what parts of the 3 selected factors(color, fall rate, profile size) to use for the day.I also beleive that any day , any time you can catch a few fish using a jig because they are opportunity feeders, or you will generate a reaction bite.If they are really active, you can catch alot of fish using any type of jig weight, color , profile.Am I correct? Probably not. I have no way of proving what I stated with actual solid proof .It is just another post of my opinion or view that will hopefully start someone else thinking and posting their opinions to give us another view we may not have thought of.Heck we may not even agree with it, but maybe someone else can use part of it with their own idea to catch a few more fish. P N J
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I in no way took any offense to the post at all and am VERY glad that you did post what you did. As you stated it got me to thinkin about the whole equation and THATS what makes a better fisherman.It actually is really nice to carry on a conversation about jig fishing which is one of my mainstays. I certainly beleive myself that water clarity and the type of food available to the fish also plays a role in the selection of a jig. When I lived in pa the water clarity was almost the same pretty well every where we went and the food source imho depened on what time of day you where fishing. According to specialists the crawdad is mainly a nocturnal creature therefore I did beleive that bass more readily feed on craws at night and moreso on baitfish during the day. Just an observation on my part. Therefore the odd colored or what I called oddcolored jigs came into play during the day and not during the night (white being one of them). So therefore thats one of the determining factors in my choice of a jig.
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3D, What do ya think 'bout this thread ? Justin Case was one of my better usernames. I am not sure I hold the same opinion as I one did, but I am sure there was a reason I posted what I did. Lizards still beats me up about the color ain't got nuthin to do with it.I still beleive you can use any color under the sun and still catch a fish with it, providing you fish it long enough, before switching. P N J

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i can't belive you drag this thread up..thats just SORRY...

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