Hybrid Line

basstastic · 02-12-10, 07:58 PM

Whats the big attraction with hybrid lines? Why would you use them over conventional lines?

Jrob78 · 02-12-10, 09:18 PM

I like hybrid lines for a few reasons. One is they are more abrasion resistant than mono, they are stronger. The pound for pound breaking strength of hybrids is higher than mono. In that regard they are more like fluoro. They are more manageable than fluoro though, if you stick with lower lb tests they don't have a ton of memory. Hybrid lines are also more dense than mono, because of the fluorocarbon in them, this makes them transmit vibration better and stretch less.

I have found that I can get away with 10lb test hybrid for the bulk of my fishing applications, I get more line on my reel and it casts better because of the thinner diameter. I like Yo-Zuri Hybrid and P-Line CX. I would normally use 14 lb test mono on these same set ups. I feel as though I get some of the benefits of fluorocarbon without some of the things I don't like about fluoro and without the added cost of fluoro. For what it's worth I also use KVD line conditioner and hybrids seem to be in the middle of the road as far as float ability, they don't float as well as mono but the don't sink like fluoro.

I also know that some hybrids are nylon, coated with fluorocarbon and some are infused with fluorocarbon. I don't really know what the difference is though.

MN Bass Man · 02-12-10, 11:14 PM

I've used Yo-Zuri Hybrid on baitcasting gear, and honestly wasn't impressed. Memory was horrible, worse than any of the fluoros I've tried, even though I also use KVD Line and Lure. I also thought it was brittle, and I had a LOT of knots fail, which had never been more than an isolated problem for me before. I'm tempted to give it another shot, as I may have had a bad spool, because I am definitely the minority opinion from all the praise I've heard about it. And since the price of Yo-Zuri is reasonable, I'm willing to give it one more chance.

Jrob78 · 02-13-10, 12:45 AM

I haven't ever had any problems with it being brittle at all. Memory definitely becomes a issue with anything higher than 12 lb in my experience though.

basstastic · 02-13-10, 04:29 PM

I fish heavy cover such as alot of lilly pads. Will the hybrid line cut through pads like braid?

Jrob78 · 02-13-10, 07:02 PM

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I fish heavy cover such as alot of lilly pads. Will the hybrid line cut through pads like braid?

Not in my experience.

Basscat7 · 02-13-10, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by basstastic

I fish heavy cover such as alot of lilly pads. Will the hybrid line cut through pads like braid?

No.
I fish a lot of senkos with 10 pound P-line hybrid, Most hybrids are mono coated with Flourocarbon. You get real good abrasion resistance and the 10 lb line is very strong, but it will not cut thru pad stalks like a heavy braid will.

It will pull thru pad leaves Ok, but will abraid on the stalks and eventually break like any mono will.

dave · 02-13-10, 11:08 PM

Yozuri Hybird is NOT a mono COATED with Flouro line.

Jrob78 · 02-14-10, 12:06 AM

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Yozuri Hybird is NOT a mono COATED with Flouro line.

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Yo-Zuri Hybrid is the first and only fishing line that molecularly bonds nylon and fluorocarbon during extrusion.

Not exactly sure what that means. Could still be coated and "molecularly bonded" I suppose.

Basscat7 · 02-14-10, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dave

Yozuri Hybird is NOT a mono COATED with Flouro line.

LOL

OK

Then it is a Mono " coated " with Flouro...or Mono " covered " with flouro..........it is still mono core with a flouro covering......

BigBassin144 · 02-14-10, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MN Bass Man

I've used Yo-Zuri Hybrid on baitcasting gear, and honestly wasn't impressed. Memory was horrible, worse than any of the fluoros I've tried, even though I also use KVD Line and Lure. I also thought it was brittle, and I had a LOT of knots fail, which had never been more than an isolated problem for me before. I'm tempted to give it another shot, as I may have had a bad spool, because I am definitely the minority opinion from all the praise I've heard about it. And since the price of Yo-Zuri is reasonable, I'm willing to give it one more chance.

Maybe you got a bad batch. While I do have to agree with pretty bad memory, even with KVD line and lure, I've never experienced any brittleness or knot failure with the Hyrbid. If I'm going to be fishing something that doesn't require much sensitivity, and needs lots of abrasion resistance, Hybrid is great.

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Originally Posted by dave

Yozuri Hybird is NOT a mono COATED with Flouro line.

This is true.

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Originally Posted by Jrob78

Not exactly sure what that means. Could still be coated and "molecularly bonded" I suppose.

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Originally Posted by Basscat7

LOL

OK

Then it is a Mono " coated " with Flouro...or Mono " covered " with flouro..........it is still mono core with a flouro covering......

I believe some of P-line's copolymer or hybrid lines are bonded in a similar manner to the yo-zuri, but I could be wrong. But some, like P-line Floroclear, are essentially fluoro coated mono.

Straight from Yo-Zuri's site: How they make the Hybrid.

How other lines, like Floroclear are made.

BB

CamG · 02-14-10, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by basstastic

Whats the big attraction with hybrid lines? Why would you use them over conventional lines?

Yep - P-Line CXX is the best all round line ever made IMO. Been using it for most of my applications for about 12 years.

There are others out there, but none have worked as well for me.

screwballl · 02-14-10, 03:22 PM

I have had an excellent time with PLine CX and CXX which is a Copoly.

Copoly = Co-Polymer or 2 or more types of polymers combined for a specific line type. It is not mono, it is not flouro. Some of them use an outer coating of flouro for less visibility underwater and better for finesse fishing. They may combine the polymers for small lightweight line and then may use a different set of polymers for larger test or better visibility. The CX comes in clear fluorescent which is easily seen above the water and hides very well underwater, then they have the fluorescent green for good visibility above and below, usually better for muddy water. Then there is the moss green which works well for areas with heavy cover so the line blends in with the vegetation.

I have pretty much switched entirely to the P-line CX except the heavy cover that needs braid (then I have had the best luck with Power Pro green). The copoly has enough buoyancy to stay on top of the water for top water/shallow lures and enough invisibility and strength for deep uses. Since most fish in my area are 5 pounds or less I stick with 10-12 lb test.

Basscat7 · 02-14-10, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by screwballl

I have had an excellent time with PLine CX and CXX which is a Copoly.

Copoly = Co-Polymer or 2 or more types of polymers combined for a specific line type. It is not mono, it is not flouro. Some of them use an outer coating of flouro for less visibility underwater and better for finesse fishing. They may combine the polymers for small lightweight line and then may use a different set of polymers for larger test or better visibility. The CX comes in clear fluorescent which is easily seen above the water and hides very well underwater, then they have the fluorescent green for good visibility above and below, usually better for muddy water. Then there is the moss green which works well for areas with heavy cover so the line blends in with the vegetation.

I have pretty much switched entirely to the P-line CX except the heavy cover that needs braid (then I have had the best luck with Power Pro green). The copoly has enough buoyancy to stay on top of the water for top water/shallow lures and enough invisibility and strength for deep uses. Since most fish in my area are 5 pounds or less I stick with 10-12 lb test.

P-Line CX is excellent line, Very abrasion resistant and limp enough to use 10 lb. test on 1000 - 2500 size spinning reels. No problems with knot strength. The CXX is better on baitcasters.

Jrob78 · 02-14-10, 04:39 PM

I actually prefer the CX over CXX on baitcasters too, it has less memory.

nmanley · 02-14-10, 09:09 PM

I just ordered some p-line CX in 8, 10 and 15 lb sizes to try for different applications.
8 for Spinning, 10 for cranking, and 15 for spinner-baits, worming and such.

I've read lots of good reports on it from other fisherman and other forums too. Figured what the heck, it' snot too expensive to try.

BigBassin144 · 02-14-10, 10:36 PM

What some argue about copolymers that are fluorocarbon coated mono is that it doesn't make it clear like fluoro. They say it is like putting a coat of clear paint on your car. It doesn't make what is underneath clear. What do you guys think?

BB

screwballl · 02-15-10, 12:32 PM

In this case, since I have actually used it (the Pline CX), it is tough to see it out of the water when the water is moving/light chop and beneath the water it is not visible, even in the clearest and smoothest of ponds/lakes. If my perfect vision and polarized glasses can't see it, there is a good chance fish are not likely to see it either.

rodnreel · 02-15-10, 03:54 PM

I can't speak to the Yo-Zuri line, but I use the P-Line CX line a lot for both crankbait and spinnerbait fishing and absolutely love it. Very manageable line, especially the 12 lb and under. I use KVD Line and Lure on anything over 12 lb. and don't have any problems with it being stiff. Great line for the money.

bassboogieman · 02-15-10, 06:36 PM

I use Yo-Zuri and like it. If you think the regular has a bit of too much memory for your preference, give the UltraSoft a try. A bit less memory, better on spinning reels than the regular Hybrid. But I don't have any problems with the regular on baitcasters.

BeaverIslander · 02-16-10, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CamG

Yep - P-Line CXX is the best all round line ever made IMO. Been using it for most of my applications for about 12 years.

There are others out there, but none have worked as well for me.

I didn't know it had been around that long.

I've used only the #6, #8, and #17, and I hated the #17 but think the lighter stuff is great. The #17 was maybe the stiffest line, toughest I've ever used.

CamG · 02-16-10, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BeaverIslander

I didn't know it had been around that long.

I've used only the #6, #8, and #17, and I hated the #17 but think the lighter stuff is great. The #17 was maybe the stiffest line, toughest I've ever used.

Yeah - the original mono P-Line was around in the 80's already. I believe the first time I saw the CXX was in 1997, but it could have been available before that.

For heavy applications, it can't be beat. The KVD line and lure makes it handle plenty good on baitcasters, all the way up to 20 lb, at least for me.

BigBassin144 · 02-16-10, 05:49 PM

With all the good I've heard recently about CX and CXX, I may have to give these a try. Of the ones I've used, P-line floroclear is my favorite copolymer line. Its very limp and managable. It seems like p-line has figured it out when it comes to copolymers.

BB

Jrob78 · 02-16-10, 05:59 PM

P-Line is running the buy two spools get $6 back rebate too.

02-14-10, 04:39 PM	#15
Jrob78 BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 4,671	I actually prefer the CX over CXX on baitcasters too, it has less memory. Last edited by Jrob78; 02-14-10 at 04:57 PM.

02-14-10, 09:09 PM	#16
nmanley BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Daleville, AL Posts: 265	I just ordered some p-line CX in 8, 10 and 15 lb sizes to try for different applications. 8 for Spinning, 10 for cranking, and 15 for spinner-baits, worming and such. I've read lots of good reports on it from other fisherman and other forums too. Figured what the heck, it' snot too expensive to try. __________________ 2015 Triton 18 TRX, Evinrude 200HP

02-15-10, 03:54 PM	#19
rodnreel BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Jamestown, OH Posts: 310	I can't speak to the Yo-Zuri line, but I use the P-Line CX line a lot for both crankbait and spinnerbait fishing and absolutely love it. Very manageable line, especially the 12 lb and under. I use KVD Line and Lure on anything over 12 lb. and don't have any problems with it being stiff. Great line for the money. __________________ "If you become a jack of all bass fishing trades but a master of none, you're setting yourself up for mediocrity." - Denny Brauer

02-16-10, 05:49 PM	#23
BigBassin144 BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 9,463	With all the good I've heard recently about CX and CXX, I may have to give these a try. Of the ones I've used, P-line floroclear is my favorite copolymer line. Its very limp and managable. It seems like p-line has figured it out when it comes to copolymers. BB __________________ As of June 14, 2014 the members of the BF.com forum have moved to basschat.yuku.com!

02-12-10, 07:58 PM	#1
basstastic BassFishin.Com Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 92	Hybrid Line Whats the big attraction with hybrid lines? Why would you use them over conventional lines?

02-12-10, 09:18 PM	#2
Jrob78 BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 4,671	I like hybrid lines for a few reasons. One is they are more abrasion resistant than mono, they are stronger. The pound for pound breaking strength of hybrids is higher than mono. In that regard they are more like fluoro. They are more manageable than fluoro though, if you stick with lower lb tests they don't have a ton of memory. Hybrid lines are also more dense than mono, because of the fluorocarbon in them, this makes them transmit vibration better and stretch less. I have found that I can get away with 10lb test hybrid for the bulk of my fishing applications, I get more line on my reel and it casts better because of the thinner diameter. I like Yo-Zuri Hybrid and P-Line CX. I would normally use 14 lb test mono on these same set ups. I feel as though I get some of the benefits of fluorocarbon without some of the things I don't like about fluoro and without the added cost of fluoro. For what it's worth I also use KVD line conditioner and hybrids seem to be in the middle of the road as far as float ability, they don't float as well as mono but the don't sink like fluoro. I also know that some hybrids are nylon, coated with fluorocarbon and some are infused with fluorocarbon. I don't really know what the difference is though.

02-12-10, 11:14 PM	#3
MN Bass Man BassFishin.Com Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Rochester, MN Posts: 34	I've used Yo-Zuri Hybrid on baitcasting gear, and honestly wasn't impressed. Memory was horrible, worse than any of the fluoros I've tried, even though I also use KVD Line and Lure. I also thought it was brittle, and I had a LOT of knots fail, which had never been more than an isolated problem for me before. I'm tempted to give it another shot, as I may have had a bad spool, because I am definitely the minority opinion from all the praise I've heard about it. And since the price of Yo-Zuri is reasonable, I'm willing to give it one more chance.

02-13-10, 12:45 AM	#4
Jrob78 BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 4,671	I haven't ever had any problems with it being brittle at all. Memory definitely becomes a issue with anything higher than 12 lb in my experience though.

02-13-10, 04:29 PM	#5
basstastic BassFishin.Com Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 92	I fish heavy cover such as alot of lilly pads. Will the hybrid line cut through pads like braid?

02-13-10, 11:08 PM	#8
dave BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 401	Yozuri Hybird is NOT a mono COATED with Flouro line.

02-14-10, 03:22 PM	#13
screwballl BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: NWFL Posts: 654	I have had an excellent time with PLine CX and CXX which is a Copoly. Copoly = Co-Polymer or 2 or more types of polymers combined for a specific line type. It is not mono, it is not flouro. Some of them use an outer coating of flouro for less visibility underwater and better for finesse fishing. They may combine the polymers for small lightweight line and then may use a different set of polymers for larger test or better visibility. The CX comes in clear fluorescent which is easily seen above the water and hides very well underwater, then they have the fluorescent green for good visibility above and below, usually better for muddy water. Then there is the moss green which works well for areas with heavy cover so the line blends in with the vegetation. I have pretty much switched entirely to the P-line CX except the heavy cover that needs braid (then I have had the best luck with Power Pro green). The copoly has enough buoyancy to stay on top of the water for top water/shallow lures and enough invisibility and strength for deep uses. Since most fish in my area are 5 pounds or less I stick with 10-12 lb test.

02-14-10, 10:36 PM	#17
BigBassin144 BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 9,463	What some argue about copolymers that are fluorocarbon coated mono is that it doesn't make it clear like fluoro. They say it is like putting a coat of clear paint on your car. It doesn't make what is underneath clear. What do you guys think? BB __________________ As of June 14, 2014 the members of the BF.com forum have moved to basschat.yuku.com!

02-15-10, 12:32 PM	#18
screwballl BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: NWFL Posts: 654	In this case, since I have actually used it (the Pline CX), it is tough to see it out of the water when the water is moving/light chop and beneath the water it is not visible, even in the clearest and smoothest of ponds/lakes. If my perfect vision and polarized glasses can't see it, there is a good chance fish are not likely to see it either.

02-15-10, 06:36 PM	#20
bassboogieman BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Parkesburg, Pa. Posts: 3,762	I use Yo-Zuri and like it. If you think the regular has a bit of too much memory for your preference, give the UltraSoft a try. A bit less memory, better on spinning reels than the regular Hybrid. But I don't have any problems with the regular on baitcasters.

02-16-10, 05:59 PM	#24
Jrob78 BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 4,671	P-Line is running the buy two spools get $6 back rebate too.

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