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06-08-09, 09:26 AM | #1 |
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Finesse fishing?
All right, I've not been getting many bites on any of my other baits, like jigs, t-rigs, spinnerbait, and crank baits, I've gotten a few, but not as many. I think it's time to try to go finesse! I all most never do this, so I've been reading a few articles here and there, but nothing really got nothing more than info on split shot rigs! Right now I've got my spinning reel spooled with fresh 10lb mono, I think that's a good start, and none of the places I fish are very clear either, so I think 10lb is good, how bout you? My reel question is this. What else in there in finesse fishing other than split shot rigs, shaky heading, and drop shoting? Any tips and info about what baits to use and how to rig and use them would be great!
Thanks a lot guys!
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I use like a finesse carolina rig, so it is fished on 8-10lb test, a 1/4oz weight, a small hook 1/0-2/0, and a short leader like 6-8in and I dont use a clacker(b/c everybody does) and use like a Berkley Slim Shaky Worm, in what ever color you like. When you fish the split shot, fish it with as little weight as you can b/c sometimes they will just pick it up. The smaller version of the hand pour Berkley Finesse worm is perfect. the tail on it stands straight up. if you want I can tell you a couple colors that I use
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And sure, what colors you like?
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I use a small swivel, make sure your drag is set though so you dont brake anything when you set the hook or are fighting the hook, but I use Bold Bluegill, Blue Crawler, oxblood, and Midnight. I can take those couple of colors around the country and catch fish everywhere
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That definately depends on what you consider finesse. Finesse for me is using smaller baits. So really, downsizing anything could be considered finesse.
Like instead of using a 3/8 oz spinnerbait, check out BOOYAH's pond magic spinnerbait. But the three you mentioned are probably the three I use the most, with dropshotting coming in first. That's by far my favorite finesse technique. Check out Kevin's dropshot video for some great info. BB
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Thanks sbk and BB
By finesse fishing, I mean like small straight tail plastics that you fish slowly!
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Just go out and throw the D-shot, you have to learn it by fishin it. Dont do Everything everybody tells you how to work it or other baits b/c thats what the fish see everyday, mix it up, do something different, I hardly use any soft baits you can find at tackle stores, I use custom made molds, and I make my own colors with there own little spin that makes them different from the everyday worm. I think fish see too many baits period, so I try to do something different. show the fish something new
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Dead stick'em too, a lot of my fish on the s-head some by just letting it sit in there face
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Hmm, thanks, I'll try that, I've never been to good at dead sticking anything, can't wait that long!
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The only thing that I do when it comes to finesse fishing is to go with a weightless rigged robo or hand poured worm. I will usually t-rig it on a small drop shot style hook. I prefer ones between 4-6 inches in length.
I generally don't have the patience to wait for something to fall half a foot per second, but it has proven quite effective when other baits failed me. I will let it fall and then simply raise the rod 45 degrees and repeat. Because this bait is so light, I usually throw it on 6-8 lbs mono. SBK is correct on dead sticking, bites will often occur when the bait does nothing by sit there.
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When I use small 4-6 inch worms I use a 1/0 or 1 hook and a 1/16 oz weight and 10 lb. line. To me that is finess fishing at its roots.
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Finesse Fishing
Finesse fishing is the opposite of power fishing. You need to learn how to use your electronics and boat control. Suggest you buy Don Iovino's book
Finesse fishing and the sonar connection http:www.//iovino.com/donbook.html The slip shot presentation works for spinning or casting tackle. Use a mojo or Top Brass Pro-Jo style weight, Carolina keeper or pegged Glass bead for the wiehght stopper, size 1 wide gap Gamakatsu weedless finesse hook. You can adjust the weight by moving the stopper up or down the line, start with about 24" above the hook. The weight depends on how deep and windy it may be; 1/8 oz to 3/8 oz works for most applications. Nose hook finesse worms; 5" to 6". You cast and retrieve this rig or drift and drag it. Like the split shot rig, except you can feel the bass pick up the worm, as the weight slides like a Texas rigged worm. Slow retrieve to keep the weight on the bottom. |
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Don't forget, when you can't buy a bite, try a double rig. Pretty much it's any rig that has two lures. Like tying a fly to the back of a popper. Or on a tv show, I saw a guy fishing a spoon for bass and he put a feathered treble hook on the line , followed by a swivel and then his leader and then the spoon. so, when he jerked the spoon off the bottom, it looked like it was a fish that was chasing something.
Try tying a minnow immitating fly on your line with a palomar like you would for a dropshot and about 8-12 inches behind, put a jig. When you work it, it looks like a crayfish going after a wounded minnow. If the bass is active, it'll probably go after the jig, if not, it'll go after the minnow fly. BB
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And the jig fly thing sounds really cool, I'll havta try that!
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If you cover allows it, drop down to 8 or better yet 6# test. You should notice a increase in hits and strikes. The lightest line you can get away with suits finesse fishing.
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IB definately hit the nail on the head. Use the lightest line you can get away with. I'm looking in to getting a new combo for finesse tactics. I'm looking at the Mojo Bass tube rod and a Daiwa Tierra 2500 spinning reel with 8lb fluorocarbon. I'd use 6lb, but we fish near a lot of rocks for smallies. I'd use it for shakey head, darterheads, small worm fishing, tubes, gobies on jigheads for smallies, etc.
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ummm a wacky rig is finesse... also depending on how you are fishin a texas rig or a c-rig i consider it finesse... i even sometimes consider a jig finesse depending on how slow you are fishin it.....
you better learn how to dead stick b/c some days thats the only way to do it..... one day the only way we could catch fish (it was winter) was to pull it over a big rock on this drop off and just let it sit there..... we figured this out b/c my dad caught one after going to get a coke, and then one the next cast after he was messin with the aerator.... so we slowed down and i think all 3 of us in the boat were in the top 5
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Thanks SB and BB!
That's a great Idea super bass! I'll give it a whirl!
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This is a page of information a fishing buddy and my wife helped me to develop over the years. We’ve caught a lot of bass using the following techniques and presentations.
We fish with spinning outfits, usually 6 pound test mono. I buy a pack of zoom speedworms in watermelon/red and clip off the tails at the narrow spot just in front of the flapper tail. This makes approximately a 4 inch lure that works exceptionally well. Not having internal salt, it sinks more slowly. This is key when you have submerged weeds, giving the bait much more exposure to the bass on the slow fall. I rig the lure texposed on a 2/0 offset shank worm hook, weightless most often and often use a sidearm skipping cast. This lure doesn't have internal salt for weight and falls more slowly as well as holds up under use much better. When one end does wear out, I rig it in the other end....when that end goes, I save it for wacky rigging. I call the speedworm body in watermelon/red a zoomie, for brevity. It casts like a bullet, and skips well under log, rock and dock. I fish it most often in the following manner.....cast to likely cover/structure. Sometimes the fish prefer a "Here I am" skipping cast, at other times a quieter entry seems to work better. I let it fall with bail open, to the bottom, watching line at all times. I wait, initially, for 30 seconds, just letting it remain on bottom. After 30 seconds, gently take out the slack and lift it slowly off bottom about two feet to feel for fish....if nothing on, I tremor the bait by suddenly grabbing the rod handle harder, but trying not to move the rod tip.....this gives the lure a sudden little twitch at the top of the raise and will sometimes elicit a strike, if nothing hits, I let it re-fall and rest again for 20 seconds. Lifting slowly a second time...and pausing at the top of the raise, if nothing takes it this time, I reel in at a moderate pace and cast to another likely spot. If done properly, this presentation will take one full minute per cast. An alternate presentation.....developed and perfected by my wife. Using either a regular or skipping cast....she lets the zoomie fall to bottom and lets rest for 15 seconds, then takes one s l o w crank on the reel and lets rest again, with the line draped over her index finger for feel, and watching the line carefully.....after 15 seconds, another s l o w turning of the reel handle and another 15 second pause. She does this until the lure has travelled 8 to 10 feet across bottom, then reels in at a moderate to slow pace, and casts to another likely spot. It should be noted she uses a Zebco 33 reel ( just her personal preference ) so that when reeling s l o w l y, the lure doesn't go far with one revolution of the reel handle, so should you use a higher gear ratio, and want the same results you'll have to maybe take a half or quarter turn. If weight is needed, I clip pieces of small finishing nails into 3/8 inch lengths and use one inserted in the skin of the lure about even with the hookpoint, but on the side of the lure to maintain a good horazontal fall.....the closer to the hookpoint, the tighter the wobble, the farther out to the side of the worm, the wider the wiggle on the fall. This is a side to side movement, kind of a rocking back and forth. Discovered totally by accident, but beneficial in that the glitter inside the worm body rocking side to side creates a lot of extra flash. Most often, we don't weight, but once in awhile the wind drifts the boat along and the touch of weight added gets the lure down deeper. Fishing weeds.....bump and fall, bump and fall. I cast to the edge or inside pocket, letting the lure fall until it lodges in a weed. I lift slowly until I feel it bump another weed, then let fall again. I pause 10 seconds each time I lift to let the lure fall farther down in the weeds. Caught some really nice bass doing this along weedbed edges and pockets...... You may be surprised how thick the weeds can get and you can still work it down deep. In lily pads and reeds, I use a 5 inch zoom lizard in watermelon/red exposed weightless. With the rod tip up, especially in pads it will crawl up on the pads and over the tops. When it comes to an open pocket, I let it sit on the edge of a pad with just the head showing and after 20 seconds or so, I tremor it twice with a little pause between before moving on. Last edited by Mac2; 06-12-09 at 07:40 AM. |
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