look at what our great president is doing now

[WaffleJaw]

ok ill bite.

i agree with Doc about the message being a positive one and that this is being read into way too deep.

i also agree that politic's should be left out of the public schools systems...politics and religions are a personal matter...not public.
they got college for that.

no fear- you refer to obama as coming off as a ''king''....well,the president is the chief citizen...for the people and for the people's needs and interest....thats about as king as you can get with the united states......i dont see a problem with biggest public icon being the biggest public icon

i didnt vote for barack....honestly i didnt vote at all because i didnt care for either canidate......but i will say,at least barack is trying...lack of experience?...sure,maybe.
but the guys been at it hard for about 7 months doing the best that he can from what i can tell..he didnt start this big mess,just trying to fix it...every president makes mistakes,only a few presidents out of 43...44? are remembered...
I could be wrong...im by far not the most ''political' savy anymore.
cut the guy some slack and lets try and legallize marijuana so we can all chill the f*** out!

and besides,if it was still Bush.....lol............he be on vacation right now

[nofearengineer]

Keep asking, doc. I've told you what was wrong with that message. Talk about blinders.

Teaching people to "fight" against a phenomenon that isn't even happening is not a positive thing. In fact, it's a clever control tactic employed by those who wish to remain in power. No better way to occupy people's minds and thoughts than to get them united in a struggle against an enemy who doesn't exist.

People can't eat good intentions. Good intentions don't heal sick people. People who raise crops and livestock for money feed people. Doctors who invest huge sums of money to become doctors heal people.

Stop clouding the issue with saying it's a hate thing. I freely admit I do hate the guy (a short list, but I've got plenty of paper left), but it has nothing to do with me disagreeing with him.

[bassinbob]

It still amazes me the Obama machine beat the Clinton machine.

[WTL]

I dont like havin to be negative all the time. Its a personal handicap that we are being put on the defensive against all these things, puts you in a negative frame of mind. We need to propose real solutions, or, lacking that, explain in attractive logic the reason why the problem should not be in the hands of the Chief Magistrate of the United States or Congress.

That said, does anyone here remember the scene in Dr. Zhivago where Uri's daughter is drawing a picture, it looks like a skinny santa claus - and her mother asks the little girl who's that and the girl says nonchalantly

"thats the zsar. the zsar is the enemy of the people"

Yea

[wargoth]

***Sigh... sad to see that our Supreme Socialist leader has even fooled some here into believing his garbage.

Nofear... anyone who actually is willing to drink the koolaid that Obama is serving isn't worth wasting the bandwidth to argue with. They just aren't intelligent enough. I have a firm policy of not discussing politics with anyone who believes the US Constitution needs to be interpreted.

Wake up people, there hasn't been a thing that has come out of Obama's mouth that wasn't complete and utter horse****.

And with that, I am banning myself from this thread.

[WTL]

Originally Posted by WaffleJaw

you refer to obama as coming off as a ''king''....well,the president is the chief citizen...for the people and for the people's needs and interest....thats about as king as you can get with the united states......i dont see a problem with biggest public icon being the biggest public icon

OK, but just be aware that both constitutionally speaking, and in the will of the founders (even the federalists such as Hamilton), the President was never meant to be a king or anywhere near icon status. John Adams was ridiculed for even suggesting that the President be given a more elaborate title. It was a humble role, I recycled the phrase in my previous post "Chief magistrate" because that is what George Washington called himself. Everything about the office of the Presidency, has, over time been expanded. Even the State of the Union address used to be printed only in newspapers, not delivered, because Presidents feared the office assuming a monarchical aura.

[Lancer6]

I sincerely hope the teleprompter breaks and the poor kids forced to watch The Dictator see him for the evil fool he is.
God SAVE America!

L6

[1/4 stick]

I just suggest, anyone that has kids that are going to be watching it in school, if you can, record the speach and have your kids watch it again with you. And talk with them about what you think was wrong with what bambam said or what you think was right with what he said. And watch the "I pledge" video with them, and remind them that while bambam, and any other prez or public official for that matter, is our leader for the time being, he is there to serve the people, not the other way around.

[Bassboss]

Ok doc! I know that you don't have a lot of respect for me, you I don't for you, but one thing's for sure, you got your politics right!

Oh, and PS for the guys that thing Obama is a like Hitler, wants to be kings, and all that other conservative BS! There something about the US that makes it imposable for that to happen, or one man to control the nation. He would be impeached if he even tried to do so. And just remember what Hitler did... has Obama done anything remotely similar to this? Here's a bit of a reminder.














Need I say more?

[bassintom]

if i control the children i can control the world

Anybody remember who said that?

[WTL]

Originally Posted by Bassboss

Oh, and PS for the guys that thing Obama is a like Hitler, wants to be kings, and all that other conservative BS! There something about the US that makes it imposable for that to happen, or one man to control the nation. He would be impeached if he even tried to do so.

You are woefully misguided. Its not that Obama could be the next Hitler, Obama is blazing his own trail. I dont know what that is. But research history. Look at what happened in the Roman republic. Look at Athens. Look at Spain. Look at Weimar Germany. Look at England, several different times. Spain. Japan. China. Despotism is a frequently occurring political arrangement. Its part of human nature to deposit more and more power in the executive level of gov't. Our checks on the Presidency have been taken down, piece by piece. They were created to do what you say, prevent one man rule, but they are now much weaker than what was designed. Congressional independence is needed to make impeachment even possible.

If congress is controlled by the executive branch, impeachment is impossible.

If you want to sit here in this thread and argue in favor of the possibility of impeachment, checks and balances and a constitutional arrangement of separated powers, you will come down on our side. Not Obama's.

[Lancer6]

On the bright side that narcissistic Marxist prick won't have to burn taxpayers $$$ for gasoline to get to our kids. Poor old Hitler had to commute but at least he didn't need a teleprompter.

L6
American, and I've proved it.

[1/4 stick]

Originally Posted by WTL

You are woefully misguided. Its not that Obama could be the next Hitler, Obama is blazing his own trail. I dont know what that is. But research history. Look at what happened in the Roman republic. Look at Athens. Look at Spain. Look at Weimar Germany. Look at England, several different times. Spain. Japan. China. Despotism is a frequently occurring political arrangement. Its part of human nature to deposit more and more power in the executive level of gov't. Our checks on the Presidency have been taken down, piece by piece. They were created to do what you say, prevent one man rule, but they are now much weaker than what was designed. Congressional independence is needed to make impeachment even possible.

If congress is controlled by the executive branch, impeachment is impossible.

If you want to sit here in this thread and argue in favor of the possibility of impeachment, checks and balances and a constitutional arrangement of separated powers, you will come down on our side. Not Obama's.

Which it is.

It's not just Obama or just the democrates either. Both sides have slowly, over the past few decades, whittled away at those checks on the presidency, congress, and the senate. It just happens that Obama and the dems happen to be the ones in control now that people are starting to get tired of watching the government gain more and more power and speaking out about it.

I'm lucky, my son's grand parents were bound and determined that he go to a privite christian school. And they aren't going to show it, and my daughter is 19, out of school, and knows better.

What I don't like about Obama is how he's praising his black side instead of his white side. I watched the NAACP 100th year show and heard Obama get really racist saying how black women get paid less the people of other color. I am not a prejudice person but I think he is a racist and this country has gotten more racist since he has been president.
Example. When he won the presidency I was walking in Walmart and some black people were walking around with shirts of Obama saying "Now its our turn". I hear people praising how he's the first black president but they are forgetting a key ingredient in his heritage. He has white in him too. Actually his black dad walked out on him and his White mom and Grand mom raised him.
I expect him to get praise for being the first half black man to become president. But lets do it on a more mature level. I do like the video where Michael Strahan said he wanted to be called american instead african american. I hate that term. Black people are not African Americans. They are Americans. We need to get over ourselves on being racist. Obama should be a leader and help stop it but instead he's living it up and becoming more racist everyday.
I'm not much on politics but I am big on religion. I hope he gets his mind right. I will pray for him and our country. God Bless

[bcklash]

Originally Posted by DonaldBreland

What I don't like about Obama is how he's praising his black side instead of his white side. I watched the NAACP 100th year show and heard Obama get really racist saying how black women get paid less the people of other color. I am not a prejudice person but I think he is a racist and this country has gotten more racist since he has been president.
Example. When he won the presidency I was walking in Walmart and some black people were walking around with shirts of Obama saying "Now its our turn". I hear people praising how he's the first black president but they are forgetting a key ingredient in his heritage. He has white in him too. Actually his black dad walked out on him and his White mom and Grand mom raised him.
I expect him to get praise for being the first half black man to become president. But lets do it on a more mature level. I do like the video where Michael Strahan said he wanted to be called american instead african american. I hate that term. Black people are not African Americans. They are Americans. We need to get over ourselves on being racist. Obama should be a leader and help stop it but instead he's living it up and becoming more racist everyday.
I'm not much on politics but I am big on religion. I hope he gets his mind right. I will pray for him and our country. God Bless

Very well said.

[nofearengineer]

Originally Posted by Bassboss

Oh, and PS for the guys that thing Obama is a like Hitler, wants to be kings, and all that other conservative BS! There something about the US that makes it imposable for that to happen, or one man to control the nation. He would be impeached if he even tried to do so. And just remember what Hitler did... has Obama done anything remotely similar to this? Here's a bit of a reminder.

Bassboss...I know you're only a teenageer, and I'm not going to discount your opinion based solely on that. I'll do you that much respect. Given that your Dad is also some sort of a super lib (no offense...he has every right to teach his own kid what he wants), it is understandable that you would call the Conservative viewpoint "BS".

However, one has to understand your whole life has only encompassed three presidecies...Clinton, W. Bush, and Obama. You really don't understand what the presidency was about before them. Not that Reagan and Bush 41 were castings of Washington, but the expansion of Presidential power has really exploded under these last three.

While you think that because we don't have open graves full of anonymous bodies, Obama is not like Hitler, you are only looking at the final days of Hitler's Reich in those photos. The most disturbing thing about Hitler was his rise to power: how fast it was, how it was accomplished, and how the German people ADORED him. That is where the similarities lie between Hitler and Obama. I'm pretty sure Obama hasn't murdered any Jews, but there are people who support him (some of whom are even in his Cabinet!!!) who have advocated forced sterilization, forced euthanasia, state control of all major industry, indoctrination of our youth (I'm sure you'll be cheering on his televised speech this week at school), and extreme censorship of all opposing viewpoints in the media. There are definite similarities, no matter what Keith Olbermann says.

[doc]

Originally Posted by wargoth

***Sigh... sad to see that our Supreme Socialist leader has even fooled some here into believing his garbage.

Nofear... anyone who actually is willing to drink the koolaid that Obama is serving isn't worth wasting the bandwidth to argue with. They just aren't intelligent enough. I have a firm policy of not discussing politics with anyone who believes the US Constitution needs to be interpreted.

Wake up people, there hasn't been a thing that has come out of Obama's mouth that wasn't complete and utter horse****.

And with that, I am banning myself from this thread.

You should because your full of ****

[doc]

'The President: Hello everyone – how’s everybody doing today? I’m here with students at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. And we’ve got students tuning in from all across America, kindergarten through twelfth grade. I’m glad you all could join us today.

I know that for many of you, today is the first day of school. And for those of you in kindergarten, or starting middle or high school, it’s your first day in a new school, so it’s understandable if you’re a little nervous. I imagine there are some seniors out there who are feeling pretty good right now, with just one more year to go. And no matter what grade you’re in, some of you are probably wishing it were still summer, and you could’ve stayed in bed just a little longer this morning.

I know that feeling. When I was young, my family lived in Indonesia for a few years, and my mother didn’t have the money to send me where all the American kids went to school. So she decided to teach me extra lessons herself, Monday through Friday – at 4:30 in the morning.

Now I wasn’t too happy about getting up that early. A lot of times, I’d fall asleep right there at the kitchen table. But whenever I’d complain, my mother would just give me one of those looks and say, "This is no picnic for me either, buster."

So I know some of you are still adjusting to being back at school. But I’m here today because I have something important to discuss with you. I’m here because I want to talk with you about your education and what’s expected of all of you in this new school year.

Now I’ve given a lot of speeches about education. And I’ve talked a lot about responsibility.
I’ve talked about your teachers’ responsibility for inspiring you, and pushing you to learn.
I’ve talked about your parents’ responsibility for making sure you stay on track, and get your homework done, and don’t spend every waking hour in front of the TV or with that Xbox.

I’ve talked a lot about your government’s responsibility for setting high standards, supporting teachers and principals, and turning around schools that aren’t working where students aren’t getting the opportunities they deserve.

But at the end of the day, we can have the most dedicated teachers, the most supportive parents, and the best schools in the world – and none of it will matter unless all of you fulfill your responsibilities. Unless you show up to those schools; pay attention to those teachers; listen to your parents, grandparents and other adults; and put in the hard work it takes to succeed.
And that’s what I want to focus on today: the responsibility each of you has for your education. I want to start with the responsibility you have to yourself.
Every single one of you has something you’re good at. Every single one of you has something to offer. And you have a responsibility to yourself to discover what that is. That’s the opportunity an education can provide.
Maybe you could be a good writer – maybe even good enough to write a book or articles in a newspaper – but you might not know it until you write a paper for your English class. Maybe you could be an innovator or an inventor – maybe even good enough to come up with the next iPhone or a new medicine or vaccine – but you might not know it until you do a project for your science class. Maybe you could be a mayor or a Senator or a Supreme Court Justice, but you might not know that until you join student government or the debate team.
And no matter what you want to do with your life – I guarantee that you’ll need an education to do it. You want to be a doctor, or a teacher, or a police officer? You want to be a nurse or an architect, a lawyer or a member of our military? You’re going to need a good education for every single one of those careers. You can’t drop out of school and just drop into a good job. You’ve got to work for it and train for it and learn for it.
And this isn’t just important for your own life and your own future. What you make of your education will decide nothing less than the future of this country. What you’re learning in school today will determine whether we as a nation can meet our greatest challenges in the future.
You’ll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You’ll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free. You’ll need the creativity and ingenuity you develop in all your classes to build new companies that will create new jobs and boost our economy.
We need every single one of you to develop your talents, skills and intellect so you can help solve our most difficult problems. If you don’t do that – if you quit on school – you’re not just quitting on yourself, you’re quitting on your country.
Now I know it’s not always easy to do well in school. I know a lot of you have challenges in your lives right now that can make it hard to focus on your schoolwork.
I get it. I know what that’s like. My father left my family when I was two years old, and I was raised by a single mother who struggled at times to pay the bills and wasn’t always able to give us things the other kids had. There were times when I missed having a father in my life. There were times when I was lonely and felt like I didn’t fit in.
So I wasn’t always as focused as I should have been. I did some things I’m not proud of, and got in more trouble than I should have. And my life could have easily taken a turn for the worse.
But I was fortunate. I got a lot of second chances and had the opportunity to go to college, and law school, and follow my dreams. My wife, our First Lady Michelle Obama, has a similar story. Neither of her parents had gone to college, and they didn’t have much. But they worked hard, and she worked hard, so that she could go to the best schools in this country.
Some of you might not have those advantages. Maybe you don’t have adults in your life who give you the support that you need. Maybe someone in your family has lost their job, and there’s not enough money to go around. Maybe you live in a neighborhood where you don’t feel safe, or have friends who are pressuring you to do things you know aren’t right.
But at the end of the day, the circumstances of your life – what you look like, where you come from, how much money you have, what you’ve got going on at home – that’s no excuse for neglecting your homework or having a bad attitude. That’s no excuse for talking back to your teacher, or cutting class, or dropping out of school. That’s no excuse for not trying.
Where you are right now doesn’t have to determine where you’ll end up. No one’s written your destiny for you. Here in America, you write your own destiny. You make your own future.
That’s what young people like you are doing every day, all across America.
Young people like Jazmin Perez, from Roma, Texas. Jazmin didn’t speak English when she first started school. Hardly anyone in her hometown went to college, and neither of her parents had gone either. But she worked hard, earned good grades, got a scholarship to Brown University, and is now in graduate school, studying public health, on her way to being Dr. Jazmin Perez.
I’m thinking about Andoni Schultz, from Los Altos, California, who’s fought brain cancer since he was three. He’s endured all sorts of treatments and surgeries, one of which affected his memory, so it took him much longer – hundreds of extra hours – to do his schoolwork. But he never fell behind, and he’s headed to college this fall.
And then there’s Shantell Steve, from my hometown of Chicago, Illinois. Even when bouncing from foster home to foster home in the toughest neighborhoods, she managed to get a job at a local health center; start a program to keep young people out of gangs; and she’s on track to graduate high school with honors and go on to college.
Jazmin, Andoni and Shantell aren’t any different from any of you. They faced challenges in their lives just like you do. But they refused to give up. They chose to take responsibility for their education and set goals for themselves. And I expect all of you to do the same.
That’s why today, I’m calling on each of you to set your own goals for your education – and to do everything you can to meet them. Your goal can be something as simple as doing all your homework, paying attention in class, or spending time each day reading a book. Maybe you’ll decide to get involved in an extracurricular activity, or volunteer in your community. Maybe you’ll decide to stand up for kids who are being teased or bullied because of who they are or how they look, because you believe, like I do, that all kids deserve a safe environment to study and learn. Maybe you’ll decide to take better care of yourself so you can be more ready to learn. And along those lines, I hope you’ll all wash your hands a lot, and stay home from school when you don’t feel well, so we can keep people from getting the flu this fall and winter.
Whatever you resolve to do, I want you to commit to it. I want you to really work at it.
I know that sometimes, you get the sense from TV that you can be rich and successful without any hard work -- that your ticket to success is through rapping or basketball or being a reality TV star, when chances are, you’re not going to be any of those things.
But the truth is, being successful is hard. You won’t love every subject you study. You won’t click with every teacher. Not every homework assignment will seem completely relevant to your life right this minute. And you won’t necessarily succeed at everything the first time you try.
That’s OK. Some of the most successful people in the world are the ones who’ve had the most failures. JK Rowling’s first Harry Potter book was rejected twelve times before it was finally published. Michael Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team, and he lost hundreds of games and missed thousands of shots during his career. But he once said, "I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
These people succeeded because they understand that you can’t let your failures define you – you have to let them teach you. You have to let them show you what to do differently next time. If you get in trouble, that doesn’t mean you’re a troublemaker, it means you need to try harder to behave. If you get a bad grade, that doesn’t mean you’re stupid, it just means you need to spend more time studying.
No one’s born being good at things, you become good at things through hard work. You’re not a varsity athlete the first time you play a new sport. You don’t hit every note the first time you sing a song. You’ve got to practice. It’s the same with your schoolwork. You might have to do a math problem a few times before you get it right, or read something a few times before you understand it, or do a few drafts of a paper before it’s good enough to hand in.
Don’t be afraid to ask questions. Don’t be afraid to ask for help when you need it. I do that every day. Asking for help isn’t a sign of weakness, it’s a sign of strength. It shows you have the courage to admit when you don’t know something, and to learn something new. So find an adult you trust – a parent, grandparent or teacher; a coach or counselor – and ask them to help you stay on track to meet your goals.
And even when you’re struggling, even when you’re discouraged, and you feel like other people have given up on you – don’t ever give up on yourself. Because when you give up on yourself, you give up on your country.
The story of America isn’t about people who quit when things got tough. It’s about people who kept going, who tried harder, who loved their country too much to do anything less than their best.
It’s the story of students who sat where you sit 250 years ago, and went on to wage a revolution and found this nation. Students who sat where you sit 75 years ago who overcame a Depression and won a world war; who fought for civil rights and put a man on the moon. Students who sat where you sit 20 years ago who founded Google, Twitter and Facebook and changed the way we communicate with each other.
So today, I want to ask you, what’s your contribution going to be? What problems are you going to solve? What discoveries will you make? What will a president who comes here in twenty or fifty or one hundred years say about what all of you did for this country?
Your families, your teachers, and I are doing everything we can to make sure you have the education you need to answer these questions. I’m working hard to fix up your classrooms and get you the books, equipment and computers you need to learn. But you’ve got to do your part too. So I expect you to get serious this year. I expect you to put your best effort into everything you do. I expect great things from each of you. So don’t let us down – don’t let your family or your country or yourself down. Make us all proud. I know you can do it.
Thank you, God bless you, and God bless America.'




That is the word for word on what will be said today, If any of you chicken littles that think the sky is falling would like to point out the bad in that, please do. Work hard, stay in school, strive for great things in your life, no matter what you face at home, was the message I got out of it, I'm sure some of you saw some evil hidden message telling kids to kill their parents and eat all the white people.

I've said it before and ill say it again, I hate defending the man, I am a White man from the Deep south. I'm also not so blinded by either political line/side that I have to hate someone just because of what political party they pick. Attack the man on sound political issues and I'm all for it, hell I'll even support it, but making up ignorant hate propaganda is well, doing just what you are accusing him of doing.

[nofearengineer]

Doc...how exactly do we know that is the original speech? If "ignorant" people like me hadn't raised a stink, this speech might have been far different. But I guess we'll never know, will we?

What we do know for a fact is the educational package that came out to accompany the speech was changed. So we have good reason to at least suspect the speech itself might have been changed. We're not "making up" anything.

As the speech stands...it was a great speech. However, I'm still curious as to what backed it up visually. I am really tired of seeing colorized campaign posters of the man's face held up by his minions at events. The election is over. Stop selling him to us.

[doc]

Originally Posted by nofearengineer

Doc...how exactly do we know that is the original speech? If "ignorant" people like me hadn't raised a stink, this speech might have been far different. But I guess we'll never know, will we?

What we do know for a fact is the educational package that came out to accompany the speech was changed. So we have good reason to at least suspect the speech itself might have been changed. We're not "making up" anything.

As the speech stands...it was a great speech. However, I'm still curious as to what backed it up visually. I am really tired of seeing colorized campaign posters of the man's face held up by his minions at events. The election is over. Stop selling him to us.

You must wear a tin-foil hat everywhere you go. Yes, the entire contents of this thread downing that speech was based on "made up" politically motivated "interpretations" on what was thought he would say.
Im also sure that pictures of slaves, poor people taking all the rich peoples money, kids saluting the swastica, and Adolf Hitler was in the backdrop of that speech /end sarcasm
As far as the posters of the mans face i'll agree there.

[nofearengineer]

Doc...do you deny what was in the "Pledge" video? do you deny what was in the package to accompany the speech, i.e, "make a list of the things you can do to help the President?"

Did I just make that up?

As for the tin foil, I am a huge anti-conspiracy guy.

Oswald killed Kennedy by himself, yes, we really did land on the moon, and 19 Arabs knocked down the World Trade Center. You really need to leave the ad hominems at home. Just because others lob them at you is no reason to throw them my way.

[doc]

Originally Posted by nofearengineer

Doc...do you deny what was in the "Pledge" video? do you deny what was in the package to accompany the speech, i.e, "make a list of the things you can do to help the President?"

Did I just make that up?

I dont deny what was in the video, I seen a good message in that video. I deny the people that read between the "lines" and got the whole "the next hitler" outta that message.

Whats wrong with a list of things you can do to help our "country"?
He is only a man that at most will serve 8 years. Presidents are not the people with power in America, the people with political power in America that we should fear are the Senators like Kennedy and supreme court judges that can hold power for 50 years.

Sorry if I mis-labled you on the whole tin foil hat thing, but your statement seemed to implicate a conspiracy to cover up the real message behind the speech to me.

[nofearengineer]

Originally Posted by doc

Whats wrong with a list of things you can do to help our "country"?
He is only a man that at most will serve 8 years. Presidents are not the people with power in America, the people with political power in America that we should fear are the Senators like Kennedy and supreme court judges that can hold power for 50 years.

Doc...I have 0% problem with doing things for our country. I'm all for it. However, the questions were posed as "for the President". These are not my words. These are from the educational package. These words, combined with Anthony Kiedis' stupidity are the reasons people blew up.

And like you, I am 100% behind the term limitations idea. Good luck to us though, because we have to somehow convince the people sitting in Congress to vote themselves out of it...I'm starting to feel a little like Sisyphus...pushing a big rock uphill.