Tweaking the toad

[mariner]

i have been fishing frogs lately and my RIBBIT frog has been rolling over and that causes the point of the hook to go down and therefore catch some grass. i have been pegging a small worm-weight to give me added weight and to make the feet splash bigger. i have been also using the bead that comes in the pack but i dont think it seems to work any better with it.

another thing i had a monster blow up on it and had him right to the boat and somehow he managed to get that thing out of his mouth. any tips on how to prevent this.

THANKS again guy for all the help

[3dkicker]

At least a med heavy/fast rod, braided line, and a quality hook will improve the hook sets but sometimes they still get away. The spinning deal may be a result of you adding the weight. When dragging a toad I normally don't let the line hit the water which keeps it from causing any rolling motion. If the toad rolls then I re-rig or just toss it out and put on a new one.

[mariner]

it was worse before i addeded the weight but i cant find any thing wrong with the toad but ill tr a new one
thanks

[cassidyta]

How did you add the weight? I wrap small wire, the type you would hang a picture with on the base of the hook. This puts all the weight on the bottom of the hook and will help stabalize.

[mariner]

Originally Posted by cassidyta

How did you add the weight? I wrap small wire, the type you would hang a picture with on the base of the hook. This puts all the weight on the bottom of the hook and will help stabalize.

thats a good idea i like that ill try it

[iowabass]

Stanley, the people who make the Ribbit Frog also has made weighted wedgehead hooks to prevent them from rolling over they look like this:

Here is how you rig them... not that i don't think you could have figured that out for yourself...

The attached pictures are from the website, nothing quite that big for me yet... a couple at 5 lbs but none at 10

[BigBassin144]

I've had problems with the YUM Buzzfrog rolling as well. I've tried different things and none seemed to really help, except one. That is to buy Zoom Horny Toad or SK Rage Tail Toad.

The Horny toad rolls a bit, and I'v never had the rage tail roll.

BB

[Jim80]

I've got the stanley frogs myself no complaints about them

[Abbeysdad]

"tweaking the toad" just sounds wrong! hehe

I had a nice 'Natural' brand frog,... brand spankin new that I tied on for the first time. I used an improved clinch knot, but thought I go one better and made two passes through the eye before the wrap 'n tie. Well, I guess it didn't 'clinch' so good... On the first cast I got a hit! I set the hook, felt the fish on the other end, then suddenly - nuthin. I thought he must have thrown the bait until I started reeling in and felt that way too light feeling on the other end - the !@#$ knot didn't hold and the bait just came right off - UHG!
You can bet I double check my knots now.

(sorry, just thought I'd share)

[Jim80]

palamor knot would solve that

[Fishnngolfn]

Originally Posted by Jim80

palamor knot would solve that

I agree if the line is braid. I use a palomer knot for my braid topped with a double overhand knot just in case it does slip. I have never had a palomer knot slip but I don't want to chance it either.

Palomer knot:
Visual images for knots at animatedknots.com.
When I tighten my palomer knots, I make sure that the loop that goes around the hook does NOT stay below the eyelet like the picture shows. It involves moving it with your hand prior to tightening the knot but it seems to create a tighter knot and I have not had one break at the knot. It does make it difficult to cut the knot if you want to retie another hook or lure.

For mono when tying a improved clinch, make sure you do FIVE turns. The most critical aspect of this knot is how many turns are made around the standing part. Extensive research has demonstrated that the correct number is 5. If you use less than 5 turns, you sacrifice knot strength; and if you exceed 5 turns, it becomes increasingly difficult to tighten the knot properly.

[Abbeysdad]

Originally Posted by Jim80

palamor knot would solve that

Tough to use a Palomar on 15# test monofilament. The knot I tied (Trilene) (or a cross between improved clinch and trilene) should have worked, just wasn't tight enough I guess.

[Snake2715]

I have had the same problem. I will check those hooks out. Hopefully a local sporting goods store carries them.... I hate the toad turning on me. The colors are typically thrown off (if using a dual color frog). As well as the hook is down.

I asked this same question last year.

[3dkicker]

If you skin hook the toad you shouldn't have any problems running the toad upside down. I catch them this way all the time.

[Abbeysdad]

btw, that animated knots site is really cool.

[dubyatee]

I really don't think that it matters if the frog runs upside down. I've caught them either way. Just get a dark color bodied frog and that way you won't be able to tell if it flips upside down lol.

[cassidyta]

If you are tossing your frogs on the mono, I would recommend adding a touch of super glue to the end of the knot. I only had to lose one $10 spro frog to start doing this. I feel that the way frogs get hit puts more strain on your knots than most other strikes.

[Abbeysdad]

Originally Posted by cassidyta

If you are tossing your frogs on the mono, I would recommend adding a touch of super glue to the end of the knot. I only had to lose one $10 spro frog to start doing this. I feel that the way frogs get hit puts more strain on your knots than most other strikes.

Hmm...interseting and wouldn't a thunk of that.

[Jim80]

i've tied the palomer knot for every application braid or mono and it has proved to be not only the easiest knot to tie but holds up the best as well

[cassidyta]

Originally Posted by Abbeysdad

Hmm...interseting and wouldn't a thunk of that.

I can't take credit on it. I learned about it after watching a youtube video on frog fishing.