Who am I?

[WTL]

Stick around and dont run like a coward. You are talking politics with WTL and I'm fixing to own you.

[NWOhioBear]

Coward yeah since I am leaving a bunch of racists to be themselves. Alrighty. Just shows how little sense you have.

I will wait for your post and reply. Since it's the courteous thing to do.

[WTL]

Originally Posted by NWOhioBear

He didn't post. "I disagree with Obama". He posted I compare Obama to Hitler. Think about it. I know thinking seems like a difficult concept for a lot of you so I'll save you the trouble of posting. If he would have posted he disagrees with Obama cutting down ammo and his gun laws so be it. If he disagrees with his allowing the bills that are ear marked to hell even after he declared he wouldn't do that I would have agreed.

If he disagreed with his foreign policy since it's so open handed I can handle that. He didn't do any of these things. I lost family in WWII fighting against Hitler and the Nazi party. I've seen pictures of the concentration camps my Great uncle brought home. I saw the tears in his eyes 60 years later when he told me about it.

Once again he didn't disagree with Obama's politics he compared him to Hitler. Maybe you are all just a bunch of racist folks far be it from me to tell you how to live. Just the people you associate with are a reflection of one's own character so I will no longer be associating with this forum.


Bear


P.S. I voted for McCain since I agreed with his policies much more then Obama's. Enjoy.

I myself said you have to be careful comparing guys to Hitler, it was the 3rd post in this thread. But the original comparison between the US and Germany post WWI was started by me in another thread speaking about the economy, deficit spending the and potential for hyper inflation.

Reb made a good point. It just needs to be kept in context. America has put all its emotional eggs in the Obama basket. Its called a cult of personality, and whether that much leeway be given to Obama, Mussolini, Hitle, Bush or Alexander the Great it normally ends badly. That is a very valid and legitimate point, it just needs the caveat that Obama is not guilty for the crimes the others committed and may end up being one of the rare benevolent exercisers of imperial level force in World History.

I know Reb and am proud to associate myself with him. He is one of the kindest people on this board and if you stick around you will learn that. He might be THE kindest guy around. He is a credit.

Bottom line; you are out of line.

[NWOhioBear]

I am not calling everyone here in these forums racist. Just the post comparing Obama to Hitler obviously was and if not it was certainly in poor taste. I was more saddened by how many people agreed with it.

[WTL]

Originally Posted by NWOhioBear

Coward yeah since I am leaving a bunch of racists to be themselves. Alrighty. Just shows how little sense you have.

I will wait for your post and reply. Since it's the courteous thing to do.

Originally Posted by NWOhioBear

I am not calling everyone here in these forums racist. Just the post comparing Obama to Hitler obviously was and if not it was certainly in poor taste. I was more saddened by how many people agreed with it.

You really do suck at this.

[WTL]

Not to mention among true goob racists like KKK members, comparing someone to hitler is a compliment. Hitler was the ultimate racist. To use hitler as an example of the worst (as reb did), and then compare another figure to him, implies that the person doing the comparison disagrees with radical racism. Does it not?

[NWOhioBear]

That wasn't politics. That was semantics. Quite a big difference. As I said it might not have been. Either way it was definitely in poor taste and not something I would prefer to be around.


If you want to actually talk politics about it though let me know.


Rebasser whatever he is takes the blame for the poor taste. I am not out of line for voicing my views as he did. I take full credit for disagreeing with a bad judgement call. When you compare someone it makes a comparison, correct? When Obama starts lining up people in the street and having them shot due to their association with a religion or their birth origins then I will say it's time to do the comparison. Until this happens though the same respect goes out to him as it does to all presidents. It was still in my mind a racist post. Whether it was meant to be or not.

Also comparing people to Alexander the Great isn't necessary a bad thing. Since he was possibly the greatest military mind of all times. Definately one of the most successful conquesters. Not to mention he pushed the human race forward by possibly centuries with his open minded thinking. For the arts and learning. Also creating the first true "empire". (Sorry my greek history is a bit hazy as I've been out of school a long time so I didn't have as many points as usual.)

If your going to argue please try harder.

[NWOhioBear]

Originally Posted by WTL

Not to mention among true goob racists like KKK members, comparing someone to hitler is a compliment. Hitler was the ultimate racist. To use hitler as an example of the worst (as reb did), and then compare another figure to him, implies that the person doing the comparison disagrees with radical racism. Does it not?

I am sorry I am not as up to racism standards as you are. Does it ? Thanks for the information.

[NWOhioBear]

I said a bunch not everyone. Once again maybe where your from they don't teach the difference between everyone and some of them. A bunch doesn't mean the whole tree where I am from.

[WTL]

Originally Posted by NWOhioBear

That wasn't politics. That was semantics. Quite a big difference. As I said it might not have been. Either way it was definitely in poor taste and not something I would prefer to be around.


If you want to actually talk politics about it though let me know.


Rebasser whatever he is takes the blame for the poor taste. I am not out of line for voicing my views as he did. I take full credit for disagreeing with a bad judgement call. When you compare someone it makes a comparison, correct? When Obama starts lining up people in the street and having them shot due to their association with a religion or their birth origins then I will say it's time to do the comparison. Until this happens though the same respect goes out to him as it does to all presidents. It was still in my mind a racist post. Whether it was meant to be or not.

Also comparing people to Alexander the Great isn't necessary a bad thing. Since he was possibly the greatest military mind of all times. Definately one of the most successful conquesters. Not to mention he pushed the human race forward by possibly centuries with his open minded thinking. For the arts and learning. Also creating the first true "empire". (Sorry my greek history is a bit hazy as I've been out of school a long time so I didn't have as many points as usual.)

If your going to argue please try harder.

Woohoo someone wants to talk a little trash.

Are you or are you not calling people here racist? Made up your mind yet? Have you backed off your schoolyard insults?

Alexander was a great military mind. True. He was also one of the cruelest men of antiquity. I could compare general Eisenhower to Alexander, correct? Would that mean that I am saying that Ike was cruel? No, of course not. There is such a thing as limits in an analogy. Not everything has to correspond.

That right there shows that comparisons need not be universal. I could compare Bamabassman to Martha Stewart on the basis of their cooking ability. That does not mean I am making the claim that Bamabassman is a woman.

Reb was comparing the origins of Obama to the origins of Hitler. And if you read the post, there is enough there for a comparison.

See where reb said

I did. That is what triggered the thought.

????

That was referencing the economy thread. In the economy thread there is a discussion of politics. That would imply that even what reb said above was still in reference to politics, no?

I can tell you are new to these parts.

[WTL]

You have no cause to call people racist, nobody here even mentioned race until you did. It was an uncalled for remark and you should apologize.

[WTL]

I will also offer this. There are a couple factual errors in the email Reb posted. Obama was president of the Harvard law review I believe, that is leadership experience.

What really pisses me off is that you started calling folks racists that you dont even know. That is far worse than the simple chain email that reb posted.

People compared Bush to hitler.


Did they compare bush and hitler on the basis or race? See how the same type comparisons have been made in a racial neutral situation? Just cause someone is making that type of strong comparison doesnt make them a racist.

[NWOhioBear]

I can go to school yard insults in a heartbeat if you prefer. I understand if the truth bothers you so much. Yes again that post to me is racist. You seem to know a lot about racism do's and don'ts so could you be a racist? Most definately.

Alexander wasn't known for his cruelty. At least not any more so then any other great general in history. I think possibly you googled something wrong. It's ok this will give you practice for next time. If you didn't know the comparison was to the NAZI party lol. So how is that any better. Well I mean you did tell me a bit about how the racism goes and not to compare people to Hitler. Do they feel the same way even though he was actually of Jewish decent? Who knows right?

So what would he be comparing to Hitler? Just his innocent upbringing? That is once again semantics WTL. He compared someone that most people before the election said they wouldn't vote for for fear of them making us an Islamic country. At least that is what people told me. All the hidden backgrounds the scary future innuendo's etc etc. Then I come to my relaxing forum after a crazy day of work and I see someone comparing Obama to Hitler. Get real. To think that was anything other then disrespectful is a joke. Whether your friend said it or not. Get some back bone and admit you either agree with Rebassman and are scared of Obama or his post was in poor taste.


One thing people need to learn online it's all about context. If your intent isn't clear people will never know.

[NWOhioBear]

I think it was more the people Bush put around him that caused people to figure that. Not to mention many of the things and way he acted during his younger years..


WTL we can sit here and have a battle of wits all night. Just I don't think you can keep up using google and your poorly unarmed. I've made my case and I stick by it. You all have a great year and I hope I was wrong and no one here was. As to what I believe that is irrelevant.

Bear

[Jim80]

the email with the comparison has been floating around since before the election happened and it was more a comparison of their climbs to power. People have compared worse and not been called racist as an after effect . NWohio I myself have family that fought in ww2 and my grandfather was the one who first sent that list a while back does that make him a racist ? you seem to have let your emotions get in the way of you seeing any rational point made by another though out the thread .


Jim

[WTL]

Originally Posted by NWOhioBear

I can go to school yard insults in a heartbeat if you prefer. I understand if the truth bothers you so much. Yes again that post to me is racist. You seem to know a lot about racism do's and don'ts so could you be a racist? Most definately.

Alexander wasn't known for his cruelty. At least not any more so then any other great general in history. I think possibly you googled something wrong. It's ok this will give you practice for next time. If you didn't know the comparison was to the NAZI party lol. So how is that any better. Well I mean you did tell me a bit about how the racism goes and not to compare people to Hitler. Do they feel the same way even though he was actually of Jewish decent? Who knows right?

So what would he be comparing to Hitler? Just his innocent upbringing? That is once again semantics WTL. He compared someone that most people before the election said they wouldn't vote for for fear of them making us an Islamic country. At least that is what people told me. All the hidden backgrounds the scary future innuendo's etc etc. Then I come to my relaxing forum after a crazy day of work and I see someone comparing Obama to Hitler. Get real. To think that was anything other then disrespectful is a joke. Whether your friend said it or not. Get some back bone and admit you either agree with Rebassman and are scared of Obama or his post was in poor taste.


One thing people need to learn online it's all about context. If your intent isn't clear people will never know.

Here is an article detailing Alexander. I skimmed it, I already know enough - I actually watched a 5 hour documentary on him just the other day - he did some good things and some very very bad ones. Cruel was a word often used.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_n14825136/

Who was the original person to throw water on Rebs post? Chump?

It was me. Look at the 3rd post in the tread. Chump.

However I do think I should say not everything about the resume you posted above is bad at all, and just cause someone shares some background with a tyrant from the past doesnt mean he is a tyrant. It could be a little unfair to Obama to say that cause Hitler united the masses, Obama and his popularity is destined to end the same way.

So as you see, not everyone was in lock step agreement. I'm personally not crazy about the analogy, but I think it is far more wrong to be making inferences about why someone is making the analogy. They could just not like Obama's politics. What is more is the fact that we here know rebasser and know what type of man he is so we have additional information that you do not have. We know that he wasnt making a racist statement.

You, on the otherhand, insulted a good guy. That you dont know. Apologize.

BTW, the NAZI party stands for national socialism. The economic policy of national socialism is centralized government planning of privatly held business. It is actually very similar to communism, the main difference being in communism the means of production are always publicly owned whereas NAZI economics allows for private ownership so long as the state has the power to dole out that ownership to its benefactors.

[WTL]

COWARD! HE LEFT!

By the way, I only used google to find YOU a link on Alexander the great.

I find it very complimentary that you think I had otherwise resorted to google. Didnt need it.

[Jim80]

Originally Posted by WTL

COWARD! HE LEFT!
.

Not everyone can stick around the losing end of an argument .


Jim

[nofearengineer]

WTL, you just made my day. You just battled ignorance and won, like I used to do before I got a job that sucks all my mental energy out by 5pm every day. You are my hero now. When do I get to learn the secret racist handshake?

[bassFishingWNY]

People here want to Google, look up "Cheney's team B". Then see who Bush put in his administration.
Other then "national socialism" that they are accusing Obama of, it fits Bush close.

Lis Cheney said Obama is shaking hands with terrorist, the last 8 years hasn't worked out too well being the bully.

I should not read this, it get me all fired up! I'm 65, and the past 8 years is the worse for America I've seen in my life! I'm a conspirator, and there is more to 9/11 then we will ever know. As I said look up Cheney's team B.

[WTL]

It would be impossible to fake 9/11. I read the wiki on team b and that certainly jives with the neoconservative M.O.

Heres some truth for you WNY. The Neocons are by nature interventionists to an extreme degree (they actually had a history in the democratic party, they used to be trotskyites). When Bush was elected and put Rumsfeld and Cheney in charge, they already had plans to and knew they were gonna finish Iraq. It was set policy. Then 9/11 happened and they went off the deep end. But they came back to Iraq in time.

None of this defends Obama. He sucks too. We wont ever have a good president again. The Constitutional system of government that was set up has been altered too much for it to occur.

[1/4 stick]

Originally Posted by NWOhioBear

I am sorry I am not as up to racism standards as you are. Does it ? Thanks for the information.

Sounds like you're admiting to jumping to conclutions and making uninformed decisions about who is a racist.

[Bassboss]

Originally Posted by jcw1503

Who was trying to start anything. You made a comment and I was trying to figure out what you meant. If you make a statement you always need to be able to explain it.

I was not, and I don't think you where either!

What I meant by not all of it was true, is when it basically was comparing Pres. Obama to Hitler! And witch I think is total blasphemy!! I see no similarities between the two! And I don't think that this was wrought out of racism. Nor do I think Reb, or any (or at least I hope not any way) other left wing voter on the board is racist!

I also think one of the other falsities in that post was saying: "However, anyone could have easily learned what I really believed if they had simply read my writings and examined those people I associated with. But they did not. Then I became the most powerful man in the world. And the world learned the truth."

What is this "truth" you speak of? I see no truth!

btw, surprised stew has not seen this yet!

[zooker]

Originally Posted by nofearengineer

Bass Boss, his writings and the people he associated with are matters of record. How people choose to interpret those things is the political part.

got to books a million and buy a copy of "my kumpf" by hitler
read it..the man may have been the biggest tyrant the world has seen to that point..but the book certaily is by a genius in ecconamy in this there is no mistake..
remember germany just gots it's azz handed to it in WWI using his methods -which he talks about in his book-he dragged germany from basicly a third world country gutter and made it one of the riches-at that time-in the world in less than 12 years..

Originally Posted by 1/4 stick

That's not saying a lot. Personally I think all of them are crooks and snake oil pushers.

i agree..

Originally Posted by WTL

Stick around and dont run like a coward. You are talking politics with WTL and I'm fixing to own you.

any time you see a politics thread open up your going to see brotha love on it like stink on poo...

Originally Posted by NWOhioBear

Coward yeah since I am leaving a bunch of racists to be themselves.

wtf?? racists?? just cause were are from the south don't make us racists..brotha love,1/4 stick,and my self see the effects of racisum every day..
i can tell by uninformed crack that you have never down south long enough to see racisum..


zooker

[bassFishingWNY]

Originally Posted by WTL

It would be impossible to fake 9/11. I read the wiki on team b and that certainly jives with the neoconservative M.O.

Heres some truth for you WNY. The Neocons are by nature interventionists to an extreme degree (they actually had a history in the democratic party, they used to be trotskyites). When Bush was elected and put Rumsfeld and Cheney in charge, they already had plans to and knew they were gonna finish Iraq. It was set policy. Then 9/11 happened and they went off the deep end. But they came back to Iraq in time.

None of this defends Obama. He sucks too. We wont ever have a good president again. The Constitutional system of government that was set up has been altered too much for it to occur.

This is from memory. The republican party was called Whigs, then it fell apart. Then because of the civil war, Lincoln was going to run for pres. He renamed the party republicans. Lincoln was the first republican. The democrat party was falling apart too, so Lincoln named a Democrat as vice pres, Johnson i believe? After Lincoln's assassination, a democrat became pres. Is that the ties you see with Repub's, and Dems?

As a side not, the only president to be impeached other then Clinton was Lincoln's VP, a Democrat too!
Seems the GOP like impeaching presidents!

"The Constitutional system of government that was set up has been altered too much for it to occur".

And WHO did that? "Bush"! Our for-fathers are turning over in their grave because of the last 8 years!